Strange Electrical Issues
07-01-2015, 12:36 PM
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Racer
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Strange Electrical Issues
I have a 1977 corvette thats having some issues.
Background: My GEN light was constantly on and eventually my battery stopped being charged from the alternator. Decided to go the easy route and get a 1 wire alternator. Problem solved. I recently installed halo lights up front that are tapped in with the running lights and work through a relay directly powered by the alternator. My low beams and high beams are also wired up through relays. On a 7 hour drive I stopped at a gas station and my engine wouldn't turn off (had the key out of the ignition). I have a aftermarket radio that has its constant power coming from the bat location on the fuse box. My dash lights went out at some point, ended up being a bad fuse, replaced but may have not been the correct amps. problem fixed.
The Problem: With the key in the on position, the dash gauges are on the whole time regardless the headlight switch position with no dimming effect. The running lights up front along with the halos come on correctly, HOWEVER they will dim and will eventually turn off if the switch is twisted all the way (this only happens with the key in the on position and the engine not running)
With the engine running and lights on nothing dims. headlights, running lights, and gauge lights all stay on full blast. Then when i turned the key to the off position the engine keeps running. The engine turns off along with all lights when I push in the headlight switch to the off position.
With the key out of the car and the engine off (haha i know, sounds ridiculous). The dash lights will dim appropriately and the running lights will stay on full power as they should. However the brake light/ seat belt lights also dim and the tach needle moves up with decreasing brightness of the gauges and down to zero with increased brightness of the gauges.
I'm going to check all my grounds today and from there I have no idea where to turn. Thanks so much. Hopefully one of you can point me in the right direction.
Background: My GEN light was constantly on and eventually my battery stopped being charged from the alternator. Decided to go the easy route and get a 1 wire alternator. Problem solved. I recently installed halo lights up front that are tapped in with the running lights and work through a relay directly powered by the alternator. My low beams and high beams are also wired up through relays. On a 7 hour drive I stopped at a gas station and my engine wouldn't turn off (had the key out of the ignition). I have a aftermarket radio that has its constant power coming from the bat location on the fuse box. My dash lights went out at some point, ended up being a bad fuse, replaced but may have not been the correct amps. problem fixed.
The Problem: With the key in the on position, the dash gauges are on the whole time regardless the headlight switch position with no dimming effect. The running lights up front along with the halos come on correctly, HOWEVER they will dim and will eventually turn off if the switch is twisted all the way (this only happens with the key in the on position and the engine not running)
With the engine running and lights on nothing dims. headlights, running lights, and gauge lights all stay on full blast. Then when i turned the key to the off position the engine keeps running. The engine turns off along with all lights when I push in the headlight switch to the off position.
With the key out of the car and the engine off (haha i know, sounds ridiculous). The dash lights will dim appropriately and the running lights will stay on full power as they should. However the brake light/ seat belt lights also dim and the tach needle moves up with decreasing brightness of the gauges and down to zero with increased brightness of the gauges.
I'm going to check all my grounds today and from there I have no idea where to turn. Thanks so much. Hopefully one of you can point me in the right direction.
07-01-2015, 01:10 PM
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I have a 1977 corvette thats having some issues.
Background: My GEN light was constantly on and eventually my battery stopped being charged from the alternator. Decided to go the easy route and get a 1 wire alternator. Problem solved. I recently installed halo lights up front that are tapped in with the running lights and work through a relay directly powered by the alternator. My low beams and high beams are also wired up through relays. On a 7 hour drive I stopped at a gas station and my engine wouldn't turn off (had the key out of the ignition). I have a aftermarket radio that has its constant power coming from the bat location on the fuse box. My dash lights went out at some point, ended up being a bad fuse, replaced but may have not been the correct amps. problem fixed.
The Problem: With the key in the on position, the dash gauges are on the whole time regardless the headlight switch position with no dimming effect. The running lights up front along with the halos come on correctly, HOWEVER they will dim and will eventually turn off if the switch is twisted all the way (this only happens with the key in the on position and the engine not running)
With the engine running and lights on nothing dims. headlights, running lights, and gauge lights all stay on full blast. Then when i turned the key to the off position the engine keeps running. The engine turns off along with all lights when I push in the headlight switch to the off position.
With the key out of the car and the engine off (haha i know, sounds ridiculous). The dash lights will dim appropriately and the running lights will stay on full power as they should. However the brake light/ seat belt lights also dim and the tach needle moves up with decreasing brightness of the gauges and down to zero with increased brightness of the gauges.
I'm going to check all my grounds today and from there I have no idea where to turn. Thanks so much. Hopefully one of you can point me in the right direction.
Background: My GEN light was constantly on and eventually my battery stopped being charged from the alternator. Decided to go the easy route and get a 1 wire alternator. Problem solved. I recently installed halo lights up front that are tapped in with the running lights and work through a relay directly powered by the alternator. My low beams and high beams are also wired up through relays. On a 7 hour drive I stopped at a gas station and my engine wouldn't turn off (had the key out of the ignition). I have a aftermarket radio that has its constant power coming from the bat location on the fuse box. My dash lights went out at some point, ended up being a bad fuse, replaced but may have not been the correct amps. problem fixed.
The Problem: With the key in the on position, the dash gauges are on the whole time regardless the headlight switch position with no dimming effect. The running lights up front along with the halos come on correctly, HOWEVER they will dim and will eventually turn off if the switch is twisted all the way (this only happens with the key in the on position and the engine not running)
With the engine running and lights on nothing dims. headlights, running lights, and gauge lights all stay on full blast. Then when i turned the key to the off position the engine keeps running. The engine turns off along with all lights when I push in the headlight switch to the off position.
With the key out of the car and the engine off (haha i know, sounds ridiculous). The dash lights will dim appropriately and the running lights will stay on full power as they should. However the brake light/ seat belt lights also dim and the tach needle moves up with decreasing brightness of the gauges and down to zero with increased brightness of the gauges.
I'm going to check all my grounds today and from there I have no idea where to turn. Thanks so much. Hopefully one of you can point me in the right direction.
07-01-2015, 03:07 PM
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Do you have schematics for your car? If so, check.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
08-02-2015, 08:49 AM
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Do you have schematics for your car? If so, check.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
08-02-2015, 07:46 PM
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Do you have schematics for your car? If so, check.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
08-03-2015, 07:49 PM
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This seems to be a common problem, mine is similar, but no problems with the lights, just constant power to the coil, with the key off, only 1.95 volts but enough to make the wire hot!, good thing I have a cut off switch.
New ign switch didn't fix anything either
New ign switch didn't fix anything either
08-04-2015, 01:11 AM
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Members have always advised/warned me about two things:
Double-check harness ground wires.
Do not connect extra items to the Batt+ lug on the alternator
(you can do it....but why take the chance on an electrical problem)
As for the O.P.'s problems......disconnect one relay at a time/start the car/repeat disconnecting-starting the car until the problem goes away to find the culprit.
Double-check harness ground wires.
Do not connect extra items to the Batt+ lug on the alternator
(you can do it....but why take the chance on an electrical problem)
As for the O.P.'s problems......disconnect one relay at a time/start the car/repeat disconnecting-starting the car until the problem goes away to find the culprit.
08-04-2015, 08:12 AM
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Strange Electrical Issues
If like to go back in time to the person who designed the harness and tell them to put all relays in one spot and don't tuck them way up under the dash or console..
08-04-2015, 08:28 AM
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if you disconnect the alternator wire while it is still running with the key off, what happens? does it turn off or keep running? you can isolate the 2 sides of the system and determine if it's the key or that one-wire alternator which by design is probably leaking enough current to back feed...at least that's where I'd start...
08-04-2015, 09:04 AM
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Do you have schematics for your car? If so, check.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
08-04-2015, 02:09 PM
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Do you have schematics for your car? If so, check.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
If '77 was the same as '79 the parking (running?) light circuit powers the dash lights circuit. A power lead comes from the "Park" fuse to the headlamp switch. When park or headlights are on it powers both the parking lights and the IP fuse via a splice at the "power" lug of the IP fuse inside the fuse box. It sounds to me like you are giving an additional +12V (either in "run" or "run+ignition") to the running light circuit.
08-06-2015, 06:01 AM
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