Transmission issues - Need reassurance.
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My Dad - who is an awesome car guy - thought I needed another opinion. So I had it trailered to another shop owned by my friend. He and his friend thought they heard the torque rattling and smelled the trans fluid and thought it smelled burnt. When test driving it, I was in it for this, if you drove normally it would sometimes shift into third but then when gave it a little more gas it would down shift to 2nd and stay there until it hit 5,000 rpm, then it would go into 3rd and be fine until you gave it gas.
My friend at the current shop said he thinks trans is already ruined.
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did your motor rebuild include and performance upgrades? could have been going out and just made worse/more noticeable with the new motor. or if using a performance cam you may need a lighter modulator but it sounds like the mech. tried adjusting it.
Did your son in law do any test driving with the new motor to "test it out" and maybe beat on it a bit?
what does the fluid look like, bright cherry red, or yellow or brown and smell like mineral oil or smell like old turpentine?
next thing after ruling out the kick down not being setup correctly. would be a stuck governor. that is easy to take out and check. also look for a vacuum leak (or kinked line) for the modulator circuit. both the vac line and the downshift cable could have easily been damaged during the engine install.
Did your son in law do any test driving with the new motor to "test it out" and maybe beat on it a bit?
what does the fluid look like, bright cherry red, or yellow or brown and smell like mineral oil or smell like old turpentine?
next thing after ruling out the kick down not being setup correctly. would be a stuck governor. that is easy to take out and check. also look for a vacuum leak (or kinked line) for the modulator circuit. both the vac line and the downshift cable could have easily been damaged during the engine install.
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Kim Moulton Miller (04-26-2016)
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I've had my engine out numerous times. The last time I had the transmission rebuilt and experienced the same issue as you. I hooked up a hand held vacuum pump (harbor freight ) on the line to the modulator at the manifold , and it wouldn't hold vacuum. It turned out that the steel line had a crack along the side of it by the distributor causing a leak. You couldn't see the crack, but it was there. I cut the tube off beyond the crack and added a longer hose and that cured it. Check the tube that goes down along the trans. They get twisted ,bent ,kinked during engine r&r and get cracked. That's what happened to me anyways.
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Kim Moulton Miller (04-26-2016)
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I'm so friggin bummed! But I am thankful for everyone's input and I have forwarded it all to my son-in-law, my Dad in Florida, and my friend whose shop the vette is currently located. I'm crossing my fingers the trans isn't shot and it's one of the fixes from this forum.
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What state are you in. Maybe someone close by could give you a hand. It sounds like it will shift, just that you have a vacuum problem or an adjustment problem. What did the mechanic bend to get it to fit?
I wouldnt get to depressed yet, it obviously happened when the motor was swapped so its something connected wrong or vacuum leak. If you can get a vacuum pump on the shift hose and see if it holds vacuum
I wouldnt get to depressed yet, it obviously happened when the motor was swapped so its something connected wrong or vacuum leak. If you can get a vacuum pump on the shift hose and see if it holds vacuum
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based on your latest post about them changing the modulator, I believe whoever is working on that trans at the shop is feeding you a line and doesn't know what they are doing. find another shop. way too much BS in what they are saying about the modulator. if there is noise by the torque converter, I would be double checking their motor install, making sure the flex plate is tight, etc. not getting a lot of confidence from what I am reading, hope you don't have other problems later on...
definitely post your location in your profile so a member close can either help you out or recommend a trusted mechanic to look at it...
definitely post your location in your profile so a member close can either help you out or recommend a trusted mechanic to look at it...
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I wouldn't throw the tranny away just yet, there are many things that can be checked. Some of the lines, linkage etc. might have got damaged during the engine R&R. Was tranny taken out with the engine or just the engine taken out ?
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How many miles are on the transmission, and when was the last time it was serviced? My experience has been that transmissions that slip between gears are not going to last much longer. Yours may be an adjustment problem, but rebuilding an old neglected transmission may not be a bad idea for reliability, IMHO. Take some new fluid, drop in on a paper towel, and drop old transmission fluid next to it. Compare fluid colors to pictures on the internet.
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How many miles are on the transmission, and when was the last time it was serviced? My experience has been that transmissions that slip between gears are not going to last much longer. Yours may be an adjustment problem, but rebuilding an old neglected transmission may not be a bad idea for reliability, IMHO. Take some new fluid, drop in on a paper towel, and drop old transmission fluid next to it. Compare fluid colors to pictures on the internet.
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How many miles are on the transmission, and when was the last time it was serviced? My experience has been that transmissions that slip between gears are not going to last much longer. Yours may be an adjustment problem, but rebuilding an old neglected transmission may not be a bad idea for reliability, IMHO. Take some new fluid, drop in on a paper towel, and drop old transmission fluid next to it. Compare fluid colors to pictures on the internet.
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Wow that looks like a lot of sludge stuff. With that many miles behind a new engine just rebuild it and enjoy it for a long time.
Make sure what every shop does it makes sure its all working correctly in the end though.
Make sure what every shop does it makes sure its all working correctly in the end though.
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The symptoms you describe are caused by lack of vacuum at the modulator at the right rear of the trans. If this modulator sees atmospheric pressure (line not connected to manifold vacuum), it raises the shift points and firmness as it would for full throttle. It will also make the trans downshift very easily and at speeds much higher than are correct.
If the high rpm into 3rd is not caused by no vacuum to the vacuum modulator, it could be symptomatic of a failing 3rd gear (direct) clutch, however all shifts into 3rd would be soft and rpm would flare as you added throttle while in 3rd gear.
Please tell if the shift into 3rd at 5000 rpm is firm or soft?
It it's firm, just ensure that full manifold vacuum gets to the vac modulator and you'll be fine.
If it's a soft shift, it could a failing direct clutch.
A loose or rattling torque converter would not cause the symptoms you've described. Better find a different mechanic.
If the high rpm into 3rd is not caused by no vacuum to the vacuum modulator, it could be symptomatic of a failing 3rd gear (direct) clutch, however all shifts into 3rd would be soft and rpm would flare as you added throttle while in 3rd gear.
Please tell if the shift into 3rd at 5000 rpm is firm or soft?
It it's firm, just ensure that full manifold vacuum gets to the vac modulator and you'll be fine.
If it's a soft shift, it could a failing direct clutch.
A loose or rattling torque converter would not cause the symptoms you've described. Better find a different mechanic.
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Anybody check the governor? Possibly the valve is stuck or the gear is stripped.
Some metal filings in the pan are normal. The picture of the pan doesn't look too bad to me. No clutch material or metal chunks.
Some metal filings in the pan are normal. The picture of the pan doesn't look too bad to me. No clutch material or metal chunks.
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A firm shift will jerk you back in the seat. A soft shift will feel like a Caddy...
So if your driving and the revs are high in 2nd when it shifts to 3rd it'll jerk you back into the seat (firm shift) or it'll lazily shift to 3rd and you wont feel much (soft shift).
So if your driving and the revs are high in 2nd when it shifts to 3rd it'll jerk you back into the seat (firm shift) or it'll lazily shift to 3rd and you wont feel much (soft shift).
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You said earlier that he adjusted it stiff then back to soft, so thats not a big deal. I think a transmission shop might be your best bet. If you can find a trustworthy one, and you sound like you know what your talking about, so I would talk to them just like you are here. Give them the facts and dont be shy about it. They might be able to test the vacuum connections or the modulator. If they can fix it and attribute it to the other mechanic, give him the bill. I think they messed it up and are trying to hide their mistake. And if it is a transmission issue, then have a transmission shop deal with it.
Last edited by Rescue Rogers; 04-26-2016 at 06:27 PM.