Daily Driver BBC572 with NOS...Hyd Roller on 109LSA...
05-05-2016, 09:23 AM
#1
Drifting
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Daily Driver BBC572 with NOS...Hyd Roller on 109LSA...
IMO NOS cams were developed in a marketing department in the 1980's. This is a pump gas hyd roller build that the customer drives during the summer. It shows you can make power both NA and on the bottle....
Just got home, I am like a kid I am so giddy! Thrilled with it. I find the following three people so awesome, Steve Johnson Induction Solutions, Chris Straub (Straub Technologies) and Scott Foxwell - top notch guys. This is not a track motor, it's a 10.0:1 compression pump gas street terror deal. I drive my car everywhere on the street, so that makes what I need to be a little different than some.
Recap on motor:
Induction Solutions Sledgehammer plate
Gm 572 short block, now w diamond flat tops, upgraded rod bolts
10.0:1, BP 93 pump gas
AFR 335 heads from Chris Straub, Scott Foxwell did some work to them, they are same shop
Super Victor from Straub
1050 AED carb
Straub hydraulic cam, morel lifter. 109 lsa. 270ish/low .700's
To the numbers.......
On motor:
815.9 @ 6200
733.2 @ 5200
Made 629tq at 4200 where we started the pull, flat Tq curve. I'm sure we left power on the table due to limited time, this was not using my carb spacer, plate was on it, etc. I think 850 was maybe possible but I wanted to get to the bottle which is how I run the car.
On 150 shot, took 11 out
983/910
On 350 shot, took out 19 degrees of timing, SAFE first run
1,202.3 hp @6200
1,137.6 Tq @5500 !!! got Torque? Dyno shop / engine builder were blown away by that number, dyno is not customer friendly bull **** deal, he said that's a great number.
Lowest power seen on this jet was 1,181hp
I'm just happy and thankful. I will work the jetting up and timing in due time. But, this was a very successful day for me. We were going to go up another 150, I said no, this was good enough for me.
What to you guys think? Not too bad right? Regardless, it exceeded all of my expectations.
Just got home, I am like a kid I am so giddy! Thrilled with it. I find the following three people so awesome, Steve Johnson Induction Solutions, Chris Straub (Straub Technologies) and Scott Foxwell - top notch guys. This is not a track motor, it's a 10.0:1 compression pump gas street terror deal. I drive my car everywhere on the street, so that makes what I need to be a little different than some.
Recap on motor:
Induction Solutions Sledgehammer plate
Gm 572 short block, now w diamond flat tops, upgraded rod bolts
10.0:1, BP 93 pump gas
AFR 335 heads from Chris Straub, Scott Foxwell did some work to them, they are same shop
Super Victor from Straub
1050 AED carb
Straub hydraulic cam, morel lifter. 109 lsa. 270ish/low .700's
To the numbers.......
On motor:
815.9 @ 6200
733.2 @ 5200
Made 629tq at 4200 where we started the pull, flat Tq curve. I'm sure we left power on the table due to limited time, this was not using my carb spacer, plate was on it, etc. I think 850 was maybe possible but I wanted to get to the bottle which is how I run the car.
On 150 shot, took 11 out
983/910
On 350 shot, took out 19 degrees of timing, SAFE first run
1,202.3 hp @6200
1,137.6 Tq @5500 !!! got Torque? Dyno shop / engine builder were blown away by that number, dyno is not customer friendly bull **** deal, he said that's a great number.
Lowest power seen on this jet was 1,181hp
I'm just happy and thankful. I will work the jetting up and timing in due time. But, this was a very successful day for me. We were going to go up another 150, I said no, this was good enough for me.
What to you guys think? Not too bad right? Regardless, it exceeded all of my expectations.
05-05-2016, 09:53 AM
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Nice Chris
Foxwell puts together some nice stuff
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05-05-2016, 09:59 AM
#4
IMO NOS cams were developed in a marketing department in the 1980's. This is a pump gas hyd roller build that the customer drives during the summer. It shows you can make power both NA and on the bottle....
Just got home, I am like a kid I am so giddy! Thrilled with it. I find the following three people so awesome, Steve Johnson Induction Solutions, Chris Straub (Straub Technologies) and Scott Foxwell - top notch guys. This is not a track motor, it's a 10.0:1 compression pump gas street terror deal. I drive my car everywhere on the street, so that makes what I need to be a little different than some.
Recap on motor:
Induction Solutions Sledgehammer plate
Gm 572 short block, now w diamond flat tops, upgraded rod bolts
10.0:1, BP 93 pump gas
AFR 335 heads from Chris Straub, Scott Foxwell did some work to them, they are same shop
Super Victor from Straub
1050 AED carb
Straub hydraulic cam, morel lifter. 109 lsa. 270ish/low .700's
To the numbers.......
On motor:
815.9 @ 6200
733.2 @ 5200
Made 629tq at 4200 where we started the pull, flat Tq curve. I'm sure we left power on the table due to limited time, this was not using my carb spacer, plate was on it, etc. I think 850 was maybe possible but I wanted to get to the bottle which is how I run the car.
On 150 shot, took 11 out
983/910
On 350 shot, took out 19 degrees of timing, SAFE first run
1,202.3 hp @6200
1,137.6 Tq @5500 !!! got Torque? Dyno shop / engine builder were blown away by that number, dyno is not customer friendly bull **** deal, he said that's a great number.
Lowest power seen on this jet was 1,181hp
I'm just happy and thankful. I will work the jetting up and timing in due time. But, this was a very successful day for me. We were going to go up another 150, I said no, this was good enough for me.
What to you guys think? Not too bad right? Regardless, it exceeded all of my expectations.
Just got home, I am like a kid I am so giddy! Thrilled with it. I find the following three people so awesome, Steve Johnson Induction Solutions, Chris Straub (Straub Technologies) and Scott Foxwell - top notch guys. This is not a track motor, it's a 10.0:1 compression pump gas street terror deal. I drive my car everywhere on the street, so that makes what I need to be a little different than some.
Recap on motor:
Induction Solutions Sledgehammer plate
Gm 572 short block, now w diamond flat tops, upgraded rod bolts
10.0:1, BP 93 pump gas
AFR 335 heads from Chris Straub, Scott Foxwell did some work to them, they are same shop
Super Victor from Straub
1050 AED carb
Straub hydraulic cam, morel lifter. 109 lsa. 270ish/low .700's
To the numbers.......
On motor:
815.9 @ 6200
733.2 @ 5200
Made 629tq at 4200 where we started the pull, flat Tq curve. I'm sure we left power on the table due to limited time, this was not using my carb spacer, plate was on it, etc. I think 850 was maybe possible but I wanted to get to the bottle which is how I run the car.
On 150 shot, took 11 out
983/910
On 350 shot, took out 19 degrees of timing, SAFE first run
1,202.3 hp @6200
1,137.6 Tq @5500 !!! got Torque? Dyno shop / engine builder were blown away by that number, dyno is not customer friendly bull **** deal, he said that's a great number.
Lowest power seen on this jet was 1,181hp
I'm just happy and thankful. I will work the jetting up and timing in due time. But, this was a very successful day for me. We were going to go up another 150, I said no, this was good enough for me.
What to you guys think? Not too bad right? Regardless, it exceeded all of my expectations.
I build a lot, and have built a lot of street cars. I am building 5 first gen Camaros right now.
Here is the problem if you are going to try for the basically factory look. (and don't get me wrong, I would love to put a monster like this in all of them)
Tall deck block: nothing fits, hood clearance. Wiper motor, brake booster.
Intake manifold: see above ^^^^^^^^^^
270 ish? if that is at .050 that is way to big for the street especially running AC and power brakes.
.700 lift you better have the installed hight at 2.200 at least, and that is still a lot of lift if it is going to live long as a street motor.
Same thing for the longevity of the lifters. ^^^^^^^^^
Cost. How much would something like this cost? Again I would love to run something like this, and awesome job on the power numbers.
05-05-2016, 10:59 AM
#6
Race Director
I've been in this hobby for 30 years. Always run into people claiming their radical engines are "daily drivers". Yet you press them a bit and it turns out they put a few hundred miles on it over the last 5 years. Still, max effort engines are a fun exercise. Just get a bit jaded at the "daily driver" claim.
05-05-2016, 11:29 AM
#7
Drifting
Thread Starter
What "street car" is this being run in?
I build a lot, and have built a lot of street cars. I am building 5 first gen Camaros right now.
Here is the problem if you are going to try for the basically factory look. (and don't get me wrong, I would love to put a monster like this in all of them)
Tall deck block: nothing fits, hood clearance. Wiper motor, brake booster.
Intake manifold: see above ^^^^^^^^^^
270 ish? if that is at .050 that is way to big for the street especially running AC and power brakes.
.700 lift you better have the installed hight at 2.200 at least, and that is still a lot of lift if it is going to live long as a street motor.
Same thing for the longevity of the lifters. ^^^^^^^^^
Cost. How much would something like this cost? Again I would love to run something like this, and awesome job on the power numbers.
I build a lot, and have built a lot of street cars. I am building 5 first gen Camaros right now.
Here is the problem if you are going to try for the basically factory look. (and don't get me wrong, I would love to put a monster like this in all of them)
Tall deck block: nothing fits, hood clearance. Wiper motor, brake booster.
Intake manifold: see above ^^^^^^^^^^
270 ish? if that is at .050 that is way to big for the street especially running AC and power brakes.
.700 lift you better have the installed hight at 2.200 at least, and that is still a lot of lift if it is going to live long as a street motor.
Same thing for the longevity of the lifters. ^^^^^^^^^
Cost. How much would something like this cost? Again I would love to run something like this, and awesome job on the power numbers.
Here is the camaro it is going in.
05-05-2016, 11:30 AM
#8
Drifting
Thread Starter
I've been in this hobby for 30 years. Always run into people claiming their radical engines are "daily drivers". Yet you press them a bit and it turns out they put a few hundred miles on it over the last 5 years. Still, max effort engines are a fun exercise. Just get a bit jaded at the "daily driver" claim.
About 3K miles a year for this one.
05-05-2016, 11:31 AM
#9
Drifting
Thread Starter
05-05-2016, 12:30 PM
#10
Drifting
Thread Starter
05-05-2016, 12:33 PM
#11
Does it have working windshield wipers?
Reason I ask is I have a 67 Camaro that has a vin tag, and a title that runs 8.50s NA on a true 10" tire measured at the tread. Stock front suspension car.
I was thinking about a 555 inch motor with a 240- 250 ish hid. roller, and like dart 345s. Should squeak into the 9s on pump gas, and wake it up with a small shot of nitrous, and go low 9s.
On my true street cars that have AC and stock SS hoods everything gets a 489-496 in a stock 454 block to keep cost reasonable with cam and heads that get it into the 570-600 horse range depending on induction and exhaust.
05-05-2016, 12:41 PM
#12
Drifting
Thread Starter
Is it running a stock sub frame and can you get hedders that will bolt on and clear a stock power steering box?
Does it have working windshield wipers?
Reason I ask is I have a 67 Camaro that has a vin tag, and a title that runs 8.50s NA on a true 10" tire measured at the tread. Stock front suspension car.
I was thinking about a 555 inch motor with a 240- 250 ish hid. roller, and like dart 345s. Should squeak into the 9s on pump gas, and wake it up with a small shot of nitrous, and go low 9s.
On my true street cars that have AC and stock SS hoods everything gets a 489-496 in a stock 454 block to keep cost reasonable with cam and heads that get it into the 570-600 horse range depending on induction and exhaust.
Does it have working windshield wipers?
Reason I ask is I have a 67 Camaro that has a vin tag, and a title that runs 8.50s NA on a true 10" tire measured at the tread. Stock front suspension car.
I was thinking about a 555 inch motor with a 240- 250 ish hid. roller, and like dart 345s. Should squeak into the 9s on pump gas, and wake it up with a small shot of nitrous, and go low 9s.
On my true street cars that have AC and stock SS hoods everything gets a 489-496 in a stock 454 block to keep cost reasonable with cam and heads that get it into the 570-600 horse range depending on induction and exhaust.
The Dart 345 has quite a bit of "lazy air". YOu would be better to start with a 320 and port or go AFR315 or the Canfield 310 head. For a budget head the ProMaxx 317 is a good choice.
Here is 10 to 1 496 pump gas build with air:
Cam is 570/570 235/235 on a 109. AFR265's out of the box
05-05-2016, 01:03 PM
#13
Race Director
If you have the money you can build to any HP level you want. So I don't see anything new here. A street car ? Then why "Made 629tq at 4200 where we started the pull" ? Does it have problems below below 4200RPM. All the engines I build for myself I expect to be able to go WOT from 2000RPM with no bogging or hesitation.
Long before you showed up here there was and still is a member named Monty and built a twin turbo 427ci small block that made 1200hp. It was a street driven sleeper, you couldn't tell from the outside it had that kind of HP. Then engineering that went into it and the end result was a work of art. He didn't use Desktop Dyno to pick his cam.
Long before you showed up here there was and still is a member named Monty and built a twin turbo 427ci small block that made 1200hp. It was a street driven sleeper, you couldn't tell from the outside it had that kind of HP. Then engineering that went into it and the end result was a work of art. He didn't use Desktop Dyno to pick his cam.
05-05-2016, 01:35 PM
#14
Drifting
Thread Starter
If you have the money you can build to any HP level you want. So I don't see anything new here. A street car ? Then why "Made 629tq at 4200 where we started the pull" ? Does it have problems below below 4200RPM. All the engines I build for myself I expect to be able to go WOT from 2000RPM with no bogging or hesitation.
Long before you showed up here there was and still is a member named Monty and built a twin turbo 427ci small block that made 1200hp. It was a street driven sleeper, you couldn't tell from the outside it had that kind of HP. Then engineering that went into it and the end result was a work of art. He didn't use Desktop Dyno to pick his cam.
Long before you showed up here there was and still is a member named Monty and built a twin turbo 427ci small block that made 1200hp. It was a street driven sleeper, you couldn't tell from the outside it had that kind of HP. Then engineering that went into it and the end result was a work of art. He didn't use Desktop Dyno to pick his cam.
If you are using DD2000 then yes that is the reason your engine is down on power about 40HP and 40#/ft. That thing is about a useful a PacMan game for engine building.
05-05-2016, 01:43 PM
#15
Race Director
With a water brake dyno they are not able to load the absorber/brake till around the 3000 to 3400. The are not accurate below this. Absorber size makes a difference.
If you are using DD2000 then yes that is the reason your engine is down on power about 40HP and 40#/ft. That thing is about a useful a PacMan game for engine building.
If you are using DD2000 then yes that is the reason your engine is down on power about 40HP and 40#/ft. That thing is about a useful a PacMan game for engine building.
05-05-2016, 02:05 PM
#16
Drifting
Thread Starter
Yes this industry is my profession. We offer tech support to anyone who ask, whether they are spending money or not. Yes if someone buys parts from us we charge. I also replace a lot of parts that were bought on free advice from non professionals.
05-05-2016, 02:33 PM
#17
It has a set of Lemons 2 3/8" headers on it. I dont' know much about the chassis but it ran high 9's before induction change.
The Dart 345 has quite a bit of "lazy air". YOu would be better to start with a 320 and port or go AFR315 or the Canfield 310 head. For a budget head the ProMaxx 317 is a good choice.
Here is 10 to 1 496 pump gas build with air:
Cam is 570/570 235/235 on a 109. AFR265's out of the box
The Dart 345 has quite a bit of "lazy air". YOu would be better to start with a 320 and port or go AFR315 or the Canfield 310 head. For a budget head the ProMaxx 317 is a good choice.
Here is 10 to 1 496 pump gas build with air:
Cam is 570/570 235/235 on a 109. AFR265's out of the box
Most of my builds use a cam very similar to this.
The cars make enough torque and horsepower to pretty much instantly blow any street tire off from idle if you stab it, unless you run a M/T drag radial or similar.
05-05-2016, 02:42 PM
#18
Drifting
Thread Starter
Those dyno numbers seem awful high. I realize it is just a measuring device to see if something you tried helped or hurt power. But 650+ with that cam seems impossible. If that is the case then my "street engines" are making way more power than I thought.
Most of my builds use a cam very similar to this.
The cars make enough torque and horsepower to pretty much instantly blow any street tire off from idle if you stab it, unless you run a M/T drag radial or similar.
Most of my builds use a cam very similar to this.
The cars make enough torque and horsepower to pretty much instantly blow any street tire off from idle if you stab it, unless you run a M/T drag radial or similar.
05-08-2016, 02:28 AM
#19
Le Mans Master
Looks like a killer street motor. Thing is nuts on the jug. I kind of thought it would have made a bit more on motor but...10-1 is pretty low for NA..
He should have no problem going deep into the 8s on that power.(spray). Hell it should go mid to low 9s on motor. Rafel's 67' Camaro went 9.70@137 with a pump gas 420" SB with a hyd roller (640hp).
He should have no problem going deep into the 8s on that power.(spray). Hell it should go mid to low 9s on motor. Rafel's 67' Camaro went 9.70@137 with a pump gas 420" SB with a hyd roller (640hp).
