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Old 01-08-2017, 09:03 PM
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I've hard a hard hot start problem for a bit and I've tried all of the normal tricks to improve the problem. I've decided that I'm going to skip the labour pains of continuing to play with this problem and grab a mini starter. My goal is simple: less than $200, clears my headers and will start my car. I'm looking at the Powermaster 9000. Will this work or any better suggestions?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pwm-9000

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I got a PMGR factory style lightweight starter for a 168 tooth flywheel off Amazon form $65.00
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Very nice. The reviews don't look bad either. Maybe I'll give one a try. Thanks.
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I run the CVR starter on everything I own.....
I recommend them highly.

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If your flywheel is the 168 tooth offset bolt pattern, you can get a pmgr for a 1997 k2500 454(I use this for my set up) if your straight bolt pattern a 350 would do.
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I put a Power Master on my '81 small block automatic a few years ago. It solved my hot start issues and I can get my right header off without even removing the starter.
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suggest inspecting replace your main battery cable,
these corrode on the inside after 40-50 years. and create poor starter performance problems.
you want a gear reduction starter not just a small mini starter, not all smaller starters are gear reduction.

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I agree ground cable too.they are famous for problems. I had my local interstate supplier make one out of silver coated copper wire .Then with a big gel battery and mini starter it could start a locomotive
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Originally Posted by U4R1A81
Very nice. The reviews don't look bad either. Maybe I'll give one a try. Thanks.
I'll let you know how it works- it's going on a 496, 10.5 compression with headers. Engine is not quite done. Hope to have it running by the end of Feb..
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Both battery cables are brand new and I've checked my grounds throughout my car with a DMM. I even tried adding a remote solenoid which in theory makes little sense. I had my battery tested even though it is only a few months old. So, rather than trying to figure out how to make a heat shield because I'm not a huge fan of the wraps I figured I'd try the mini starter option.
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I installed a starter from Summit just like the shown above. It is a true gear drive and you can replace the electric motor when it wears out for a fraction of the new starter. I ended up rotating it to clear my headers and so it would not get too much heat.

I am running 12.25 to 1 compression ratio on a Big Block 427. Even with a gear drive I still had trouble. I was getting ready to install a second battery behind the passenger. Instead I ended up putting a MSD box on the car which pulls my timing back 20 degrees until the car starts. At 500 rpm it goes back to full timing. That really did the trick for my car.

Yes the ground cables are critical as well as the Battery Positive cable that attaches to the starter.

The only down side is that those gear drive starters sound like Chrysler cars a'crankin......
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Originally Posted by ctmccloskey
I installed a starter from Summit just like the shown above. It is a true gear drive and you can replace the electric motor when it wears out for a fraction of the new starter. I ended up rotating it to clear my headers and so it would not get too much heat.

I am running 12.25 to 1 compression ratio on a Big Block 427. Even with a gear drive I still had trouble. I was getting ready to install a second battery behind the passenger. Instead I ended up putting a MSD box on the car which pulls my timing back 20 degrees until the car starts. At 500 rpm it goes back to full timing. That really did the trick for my car.

Yes the ground cables are critical as well as the Battery Positive cable that attaches to the starter.

The only down side is that those gear drive starters sound like Chrysler cars a'crankin......
I did look at the MSD start retarding feature. If the new starter does fix the hot start problem then I may give it a try.
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Originally Posted by U4R1A81
I did look at the MSD start retarding feature. If the new starter does fix the hot start problem then I may give it a try.
The MSD box does a wonderful job for the money. It makes using Nitrous easier as well, if you need it.

Buy a good name brand gear drive, I spent close to $200 for mine and it has never faltered. The electric motor on the gear drive on my car was made by Toshiba or another name brand company.

Good Luck!
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I run 1 gauge on the cables. 10.7:1 383.

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