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Old 02-25-2017, 01:17 PM
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Default Found the case of my oil burning (I hope)

(meant to say CAUSE not CASE)


This is a follow up to this thread: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ark-plugs.html

Well I finally pulled the intake today and what I found was pretty surprising. The intake gasket had slipped down in several places.










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Next time ditch the end seals and use a bead of silicone. The end gaskets can keep the side ones from seating. A bead around the water jackets is good to do as well.
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
Next time ditch the end seals and use a bead of silicone. The end gaskets can keep the side ones from seating. A bead around the water jackets is good to do as well.
I didn't use the end seals. Just silicone.
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Why dont your heads have bolt holes for the 2 center bolts on each side?
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Why dont your heads have bolt holes for the 2 center bolts on each side?
Not sure what holes you mean. They're vortec heads.
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Vortec heads don't have center bolt holes on the intake manifold.
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Originally Posted by BKbroiler
Vortec heads don't have center bolt holes on the intake manifold.
yeah i sort of wish they did. It might help keep the gasket in place.
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Originally Posted by jim-81
yeah i sort of wish they did. It might help keep the gasket in place.
I haven't had any problems with mine.

Do you use sealer on the gasket itself? I use Edelbrock gaskets, look like the ones you have. I put silicone on both sides.
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I use stock vortec gaslets, they are plastic with silicone beads imbeded. Very rigid and work well.






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Originally Posted by BKbroiler
I haven't had any problems with mine.

Do you use sealer on the gasket itself? I use Edelbrock gaskets, look like the ones you have. I put silicone on both sides.
i just used the Gasgacinch except at the ends. Silicone on the whole thing would probably be the way to go. Rookie error lol
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RTV is rated for oil but not gas. RTV around intake ports is not recommended. I've had bad experiences with aftermarket intake gaskets, both MrGasket and Fel-Pro. I stick to GM gaskets now. Cost about 2x but much better quality.
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Originally Posted by jim-81
Not sure what holes you mean. They're vortec heads.
Originally Posted by BKbroiler
Vortec heads don't have center bolt holes on the intake manifold.
AH, I didn't know that. I'll just head back down to the C2 basement LOL
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Ok, so I got the Fel Pro gaskets: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fel-1255 and I want to make sure I do this right this time. I have read several ways of applying sealer and I'm sure there are as many as there are opinions. I have heard sealant just around the water jacket holes at the ends (which is what I did on the Eddy gasket above). All the way to sealant on both sides of the gaskets and both mating surfaces. For the china walls, I'm good there, that held up fine, I'll do the same thing as before. But what is the generally best method for the intake gaskets. Noting that these are Vortec and there are no bolts in the middle to help hold the gasket in position. I am leary now and don't want another set of gaskets to 'slip' down. I am tempted to use the 'coat every dam thing with sealant' option. And by sealant I mean Permatex ultra black.
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OK so I'm looking at these pictures again and what it seems to me is that something is 'pulling' the gaskets down (besides gravity). Almost like there is a vacuum in the lifter valley, which there shouldn't be. If you look at all the pics, the middle part has been pulled down which has caused the distortion on the inner ports (3, 4, 5, 6). And maybe I'm overthinking this maybe it just needed better sealant/tack. Could there be a vacuum in the lifter valley? I would think if anything, there would be positive pressure from any blowby coming from the bottom end. hmmm.
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Originally Posted by jim-81
Ok, so I got the Fel Pro gaskets: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fel-1255 and I want to make sure I do this right this time. I have read several ways of applying sealer and I'm sure there are as many as there are opinions. I have heard sealant just around the water jacket holes at the ends (which is what I did on the Eddy gasket above). All the way to sealant on both sides of the gaskets and both mating surfaces. For the china walls, I'm good there, that held up fine, I'll do the same thing as before. But what is the generally best method for the intake gaskets. Noting that these are Vortec and there are no bolts in the middle to help hold the gasket in position. I am leary now and don't want another set of gaskets to 'slip' down. I am tempted to use the 'coat every dam thing with sealant' option. And by sealant I mean Permatex ultra black.
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Use a very thin coat toward the center on the back of the gasket to hold it and around the water jackets on both sides.......and of course bead the china rails.....

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The stock gaskets I showed above need no sealant except the china wall and can't sag like all the aftermarket paper ones. Plus they are available at all your local parts stores. They are used in hundreds of thousands (or however many gm produced) of the vortec engines.
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Just a follow up - I got it all back together and started it up last night and ... NO OIL BURNING !!! so I think all is good.

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