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defending the mid 70's c3 faith

Old 09-16-2004, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oregonsharkman
I think it may be up to us mid-70's c3 owners to give our cars a new image. When I first bought my 76, one of the first coments i got was "OH thats one of the 150 hp Corvettes" -------which is not entirely true (180 rwhp doesn't sound like that much either). Now, I know that my 1976 Stingray is not a world class sports car, nor am I trying to make it out to be one. But, I'll tell you neither is the 1969 Boss 429, or 1964 GTO, or hemi cuda, or any ather 60's muscle car. The simple fact is they will all get there butts whipped by a viper or M3 on a track. So back to my point.I happen to love the style of our stingrays and they are easily upgraded to the power level (and beyond) of many of the famous muscle cars of the 60's. Also our cars come stock with power 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 wheel indep. suspension and a real nice weight balance. So modify the sheet out of your cars guys!!!!!( I've got a 383 stroker goin in mine) and next time you pull up to a Honda Civic with a fart can or a snobbish big block 60's Vette (as much as I love em) show them the potential of our rubber bumbered cars. Or maybe it's just the beer talkin!!!!
I wish someone would think my 75 had 165 hp.
im making 310 now and after i put these GM fastburn heads on i will stomp some ***
Old 09-16-2004, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LemansBlue68
Want to adopt me ??

My son helped me mask off the '68 to get it ready for gelcoat tonight--and he volunteered! If he keeps up, that '78 'll be in the driveway soon. Then I just have to explain it to the wife...geee dear, look what followed me home.....

Right on, I think that makes us better off than a lot of Dads. The wife should understand.
Old 09-16-2004, 07:17 PM
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I'm doing my thing to make my 75 competitive with the vipers or anything else roaming the highways. The 460 motor gets 12 pounds of boost from a 8-71. I have coilovers all around and the suspension is heavily reworked in the front with extended spindles, zero pump and a 6 link in the rear. I also run a tremec.
Old 09-16-2004, 07:29 PM
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Way to keep the faith, Bro'. Gotta love blowers sticking out of hoods. Sweet!

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Old 09-17-2004, 02:05 AM
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[QUOTE=Glensgages]
Most of the chrome-bumpered/big-block cars are so valuable these days, nobody drives them, and NOBODY modifies/hot-rods them![QUOTE]

Not so, I drive my 69 vert 427 hard and often. I'll never own a car just to put up look at and rub, purists be damned, my vette was made to run not be babied, and I like to let her eat. I wouldnt be the least bit concerned about modifying it either. It's my car, and always will be, I like to drive the hell out of it, and could care less about it being all "original".

I'm sure im not the only one.

I like the looks of all the c3's, but i've seen a few posts on this thread coming dangerously close to bashing the early bb chrome cars. Thats just nuts, if you love your 68', or your 78' or even your VW beetle, good for you, who cares what anyone else thinks.
Old 09-17-2004, 04:33 AM
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ewalker302:
You are one of the minority, and I didn't mean to offend you in any way;
if you prefer I change my stastement to "FEW" drive/modify the early big-block cars, I will.


I didn't mean to 'bash' the big-block cars ( I ain't THAT stupid...), it was more of a general staement about their rarity, their value, and the people who own them.

I have found that a vast-majority of theses cars' owners are into the "show and shine" thing, more interested in preserving these cars;
Only a few are driven and enjoyed for the sake of being driven and enjoyed, and fewer-still are modified, unless they were saved from destruction.

Maybe it is a 'regional' thing, but here in Pa., I rarely see a chrome-bumpered car;
occasionally, I will pass a particular SB vert on a Sunday morning on my way to/from my P.O. Box, but that is 'it'.

Zora didn't build these cars to be 'show'-pieces.....
Old 09-17-2004, 06:56 AM
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Default I love my 76 too!!!

I do have to admit price has alot to do with my choice of year model (76), and would trade it for a chrome bumper vette if the oppertunity ever arises, but prefer the sleek sexy look all the way to the 82.... and don't really like any of them newer than that.... alot will disagree with me, but I think the 84 and up lost the uniqueness of being a vette, and look too much like the camaro's and firebirds of same years.

Take Care All !!!,

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Old 09-17-2004, 07:42 AM
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World Class
Duntov considered the Corvette to be world class when he got the C2 w/ IRS & said something like now I have a Corvette I would be proud to drive in Europe.
There have been excellent reviews of the Corvette in particuliar the
LT-1 compared to the Ferrari Daytona.
The 77 set a R & T handling record later matched by a Ferrari 512BB. Mario Andretti got close in a C5.
http://ganeys.home.sprynet.com/77facts.htm

Only the sto*k guys are limited by factory HP. Even the L-88 needed exhaust mods.
Some of us have been increasing the HP of ours & others for a long time.



Suggest Increase Power.

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I've got the faith and agree with many of you. Knowing you have a sweet looking C3 and can modify it to your liking is like "having your cake and eating it too."
Old 09-17-2004, 12:10 PM
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Yeah Norval - but when are you gonna stop buying those bolt-on
accessories and do some real mods ?



All C3s are the real deal. Not for superior power, or handling, or
reliability, or good looks. It's the WHOLE PACKAGE - caprice motor
or crate motor - it's thye WHOLE PACKAGE.

Originally Posted by norvalwilhelm
I'm doing my thing to make my 75 competitive with the vipers or anything else roaming the highways. The 460 motor gets 12 pounds of boost from a 8-71. I have coilovers all around and the suspension is heavily reworked in the front with extended spindles, zero pump and a 6 link in the rear. I also run a tremec.
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Interesting note this Trans Am site had in which admitting it was slower in the quarter than the Corvette!!!

Read on...LOL

The turning point for the late 1970's Trans Am's occurred in 1976. The corporate bean counters had all but given up on killing off the T/A, especially when they saw the enormous profit the model was bringing in. Gradually, nearly as many Trans Am's left the assembly line as the other Firebirds...combined.

For starters, the T/A got a more integrated front end appearance, enhancing the visual appeal. The new front end returned the parking lamps below the front bumper, each within a narrow cooling slot. Unfortunately, the front spoiler was trimmed back again, leaving it to merely be a keepsake from the glory days of old. The color keyed front bumper, covered in deformable urethane, replaced the rubber covered steel unit of the previous year. The bumper smoothly integrated into the front header panel which was still comprised of fibreglass. Round headlamps made their last second generation appearance on the 1976 edition.

To the rear of the car, the styling pattern which influenced the front was copied. The rear bumper was also covered in a soft urethane with a depression in the center, eliminating the false bumper bar. This theme made the Trans Am a much more complete looking car. The tail lamps were still of body color and stretched from the corner of the rear end to the license plate recess.

Inside the wide doors, a new interior greeted the owner. The seats were a bit more contoured, with richer materials. Vertical ribbing replaced the horizontal sew lines of the 1971 thru 75 seats. The seats also were thicker appearing, with additional padding. Buckskin replaced saddle and just as burgundy was given up for firethorn, GM's new "wonder color". The material for the base vinyl seats was of Oxen vinyl while custom trim ordered up Tetra vinyl. Again, no cloth trim was offered.

At 185 hp, the 400 was still the base motor and relatively unchanged from the 1975 edition. The engine coded WU when ordered with a manual or YS, Y9 or YZ for Federal cars or ZK if California bound when assigned to the automatic,

Returning for what was to be it's final season (again?) was the optional 455 V8, still labeled in H.O. guise. As with the 400, the specs were virtually interchangeable with the 1975 edition. Once again the 455 was packaged, including the confidence inducing semi-metallic front brake pads. As a 4-speed manual was still the required transmission with the big motor, California cars were not allowed this combination (nor any other 4-speeds, for that matter). The single exhaust system was unchanged from 1975 and exited through dual tail pipes with chrome splitters.

The shaker hood scoop, while still no longer functional would make it's last appearance as the original rounded design. The pronounced intake lip of the shaker would be less so in the model years's to follow.

All Trans Am's were still fitted with the GR70x15 steel belted radial ply tires. The tires were still offered in black wall or raised white letters for appearance sake. Rally II wheels, body colored (or argent) with bright spoke accents and trim rings were standard. The honey comb wheels common to most Trans Ams were a no cost upgrade. As with the shaker hood scoop design, these wheels would be offered no longer after 1976

Black was finally offered on a T/A this year, but only about 2590 of them. The Y82/Y84 Special Edition's made their debut as a limited run of Pontiac Motor Division 50th anniversary package cars. The Starlite black exterior was highlighted in gold with pin stripes, starting at the front bumper, wrapping around the body via the wheel openings, finishing it's journey at the rear bumper. Completing the gold exterior accents were a specific hood bird decal, headlamp bezels, grilles, fascia mounted Firebird crest, and honey comb wheels. A small portion of the cars also received black chrome splitter tail pipes. Inside, a gold finished engine turned instrument panel applique replaced the silver tone of other T/A's and the black spokes in the Formula steering wheel were supplanted by a gold version. Either the 400 automatic or 455 manual combinations could be ordered.

It was on this special T/A that an option would be introduced that would literally open up an entire market - the T-Top. Originally slated to be fitted to all anniversary edition cars, only 643 were actually produced with the tops. The tops, manufactured for Pontiac by Hurst, were known as Hurst Hatches and were fitted after assembly. Of the 643 50th anniversary models with Hurst Hatches, 110 were built with the 455/4-speed combination, while 319 455's had the 50th package without the tops. The 400 cars featured 533 with t-tops, and 1628 without.

Sterling silver and Cameo white were the only colors to return to the 1976 line-up. In addition to Starlite Black, Goldenrod yellow, and a pair of much different reds- Carousel and Firethorn were added to the line up. Although Firethorn red was a must have on the rest of the GM offerings, it looked somewhat out of place on the Trans Am.

The September 1975 issue of Road Test magazine (which unfortunately went out of circulation 1981), featured a silver 1976 Trans Am on the cover. Highlighting the cover was an appropriate sell job: "The King is back! First '76 Test: Firebird Trans Am 455 HO. In this issue, the 455 T/A is objectively examined and exposed, being touted "It is the fastest accelerating and best-cornering American car you can buy".This was a very strong statement indeed, but remember, the vaunted Corvette could only hand off 210 hp while the only producing 255 lb/ft of torque in the L82 version.

In search of the fastest American car (guess what was on the cover, again ), the April 1976 issue of Car & Driver discovered accelerating from 0-60 took 7.0 seconds, while an additional 8.6 seconds were needed to produce a speed of 90.3 mph in completing the quarter mile. Winding the big inch engine to 4850 rpm, 350 rpm beyond the maximum recommended engine speed, gear produced a top speed of 118 mph in fourth gear. In 1976 these were big numbers, however, our beloved bird did not fare so well. The Corvette was .3 seconds quicker in the 1/4-mile time and went 6.5 mph faster on the top end, benefiting from less frontal area. The worst news of the article was a bias-ply tired 360 cubic inch Dodge Dart didn't quit going any faster until it's 220 horsepower propelled it to nearly 122 mph.

The good news of the article featured the excellent brakes of the T/A. In stops from 70 miles per hour, the front disc/rear drum 3820-lb Trans Am stopped 20 feet shorter than the all-disc brake equipped 3655-pound Corvette. Twenty feet may not seem much, but in life it is the difference between wheeew, made it! and aww-&$%#. From a standing start the Corvette also needed 1-tenth of a second longer to meet the sixty mile per hour mark.

The Trans Am was definitely the rage in 1976. It was the car to have. So popular was the T/A in fact, 46,701 were built as 1976 model year. This accounted for forty-two percent of Firebird production. Why was the car so popular? As more and more people became fed up with sluggish cars, (heck the gas was flowing again!) the Trans Am was the last resource of performance. The $4987.00 base price still delivered the buyer a lot of bang for the buck. Double digit percentage price increases hadn't yet been tacked on by Pontiac, so the car entered '76 only $247.00 higher than in 1976. But the popularity was just beginning as 1977 was about to make all the Burt Reynolds wanna be's noticed, as a "bandit" was about to be unmasked.


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