John Lingenfelter modified '84?
09-28-2014, 11:16 PM
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John Lingenfelter modified '84?
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http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/4680565083.html
saw the above listing on CL...
i've just heard his name and read a few things about his co. and mods he has done.
just curious if folks knew more about his cars/engines/mods...and thought this was legit?
car is listed at $6K, of course they say the transmission is going south, nice, classic of course...the seats don't look so great...
just curious if folks knew more than i did, and thought this was real?
http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/4680565083.html
saw the above listing on CL...
i've just heard his name and read a few things about his co. and mods he has done.
just curious if folks knew more about his cars/engines/mods...and thought this was legit?
car is listed at $6K, of course they say the transmission is going south, nice, classic of course...the seats don't look so great...
just curious if folks knew more than i did, and thought this was real?
09-30-2014, 08:01 PM
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I'm not sure, but I think Lingenfelter motors had a Lingenfelter name on the throttle body plate. The car looks tired for those few miles. I have an 84 with more miles than that and my seats look great compared to those. I'm not sure Lingenfelter did tpi or SuperRam transplants on Xfire cars. I would look for actual paperwork.
09-30-2014, 10:32 PM
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that is in fact a super ram, very likely a 383 stroker motor and period correct for the time LPE was developing those products as well as working on TPI intakes with GM.
10-01-2014, 02:29 PM
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thanks for the info/input.
i thought the motor looked interesting, certainly not stock!
ok, what is the cost of replacing a transmission?
i guess that is my next question....and what would folks say this car is worth w/ the transmission problems?
i thought the motor looked interesting, certainly not stock!
ok, what is the cost of replacing a transmission?
i guess that is my next question....and what would folks say this car is worth w/ the transmission problems?
10-01-2014, 07:40 PM
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I know about Lingenfelter's association with GM. I ran a 383 SuperRam successfully for well over a decade. My question is whether Lingenfelter did tpi, SuperRam conversions with X-fire 84s. I never read or heard of this. All conversions as far as I know were 85 on up.
10-01-2014, 09:19 PM
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Would it be doable with the X-fire? Would the ECM still work or require rewire?
10-02-2014, 04:35 AM
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In my opinion this may be an LPE engine not made in 84, probably the conversion was made in the next 2-3 years, he not used a MAF ecm since you don't see any,may be he used the old speed density set up since the new one was just in 90', or this is Not a LPE , just a DIY garage assembled 383 superrammed.in any case even a original LPE engine don't worth the 6k bucks. Powered by a 450 rwhp and a 500 lbtq torquer you need a serious trans behind that's over 3k's, not to to talk about R DIFF at least a Dana 44 . This car is a deal for 3.5 k
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10-02-2014, 10:21 AM
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10-02-2014, 04:12 PM
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10-03-2014, 05:04 PM
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10-03-2014, 05:05 PM
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10-03-2014, 05:07 PM
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just posted some pics, b/c my luck when i want to refer back to ads, they always disappear. actually the car looks better than i thought. interior looks a bit rough in the seats...but the engine looks good...i wonder how long the transmission would last,
10-16-2014, 09:29 AM
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just saw that they lowered the price to $5000, wish i could get over to see it, but there's my '85 w/ the souped up motor that is an hour the other way from me that i want to see, but can't seem to find the time....dang busy life getting in the way!!!!!
10-16-2014, 07:18 PM
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Paint/wheels is def the style of that era for sure
Outside some minor interior (he said trans too)? Not bad.
That motor has been together a long time.
Ive read many a build about John using those heads werent many options back then. Very popular with racers back in the day
Could very well be a Lingenfelter car but without papers dont pay for that "value".heck could be a 350 who knows.
Perhaps giving Lingenfelter the VIN could help solve this mystery think they keep records of their cars they did.
If the car drove solid and the motor seemed healthy see if you can get it for 4. Still a good bang for the buck. Least the outside still looks good.
Wonder if there could be other things you could look for that John did to those cars back then to help ID if its his build or not.
Outside some minor interior (he said trans too)? Not bad.
That motor has been together a long time.
Ive read many a build about John using those heads werent many options back then. Very popular with racers back in the day
Could very well be a Lingenfelter car but without papers dont pay for that "value".heck could be a 350 who knows.
Perhaps giving Lingenfelter the VIN could help solve this mystery think they keep records of their cars they did.
If the car drove solid and the motor seemed healthy see if you can get it for 4. Still a good bang for the buck. Least the outside still looks good.
Wonder if there could be other things you could look for that John did to those cars back then to help ID if its his build or not.
10-17-2014, 12:44 PM
#19
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My '84 has that SuperRam atop a 406cid, speed density system, controlled by a custom chipped '90 Camaro ECM, sitting in the stock location, with a modified stock harness. I changed hoods and most of the front underhood parts, achieving a '87 appearance. Ruining a cone-type air filter really degrades performance once the underhood temperatures rise, remedied by the '87 type air induction (cooler air).
I love it with the newly installed ZF6-40, blueprinted by the ZF Doc, with his short throw shifter. The .50 O/D makes the car much more practical and enjoyable for more types of driving. I'm in love again! The longer stroke of the 406 (383, similar) delivers great starting torque and the SuperRam pulls strongly to 6300 rpm, where by fuel shuts down; that, with a 52mm BBK throttle body.
That said, the stock drivetrain won't last real long with all that extra torque. I ran the 4+3 for many years and it did fine; tho, it was rebuilt in Boca, FL by experts. Expcet to pay $3k or so, to replace that tranny. I'd bypassed almost all the stock control logic.
Like many ECM engine mods, the fuel calculations went away.
After breaking the stock D36, including the case, the replacement D36 (later design) has been just fine for over a decade, but ALL of it was cryo hardened, plus I don't beat my toys! That said, I am quite familiar with the aroma of liquid rubber.
Replacement seat coverings and foam is available and not too hard to change, but pricey.
FWIW, I like those colors and if that car runs anything like mine, you'll love it, assuming the reliability is similar. It took a while to work the bugs out, but now it is nearly as fast as the C6 Z06s. Lingenfelter has an excellent reputation, IF it is really theirs.
It seems the car market is very soft for those vehicles that are not super rare and stock, or historic. How cheap you can get it depends on your negotiating skill and the seller's need to sell, of course.
I love it with the newly installed ZF6-40, blueprinted by the ZF Doc, with his short throw shifter. The .50 O/D makes the car much more practical and enjoyable for more types of driving. I'm in love again! The longer stroke of the 406 (383, similar) delivers great starting torque and the SuperRam pulls strongly to 6300 rpm, where by fuel shuts down; that, with a 52mm BBK throttle body.
That said, the stock drivetrain won't last real long with all that extra torque. I ran the 4+3 for many years and it did fine; tho, it was rebuilt in Boca, FL by experts. Expcet to pay $3k or so, to replace that tranny. I'd bypassed almost all the stock control logic.
Like many ECM engine mods, the fuel calculations went away.
After breaking the stock D36, including the case, the replacement D36 (later design) has been just fine for over a decade, but ALL of it was cryo hardened, plus I don't beat my toys! That said, I am quite familiar with the aroma of liquid rubber.
Replacement seat coverings and foam is available and not too hard to change, but pricey.
FWIW, I like those colors and if that car runs anything like mine, you'll love it, assuming the reliability is similar. It took a while to work the bugs out, but now it is nearly as fast as the C6 Z06s. Lingenfelter has an excellent reputation, IF it is really theirs.
It seems the car market is very soft for those vehicles that are not super rare and stock, or historic. How cheap you can get it depends on your negotiating skill and the seller's need to sell, of course.
Last edited by whalepirot; 10-17-2014 at 12:55 PM.
10-17-2014, 08:03 PM
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My '84 has that SuperRam atop a 406cid, speed density system, controlled by a custom chipped '90 Camaro ECM, sitting in the stock location, with a modified stock harness. I changed hoods and most of the front underhood parts, achieving a '87 appearance. Ruining a cone-type air filter really degrades performance once the underhood temperatures rise, remedied by the '87 type air induction (cooler air).
I love it with the newly installed ZF6-40, blueprinted by the ZF Doc, with his short throw shifter. The .50 O/D makes the car much more practical and enjoyable for more types of driving. I'm in love again! The longer stroke of the 406 (383, similar) delivers great starting torque and the SuperRam pulls strongly to 6300 rpm, where by fuel shuts down; that, with a 52mm BBK throttle body.
That said, the stock drivetrain won't last real long with all that extra torque. I ran the 4+3 for many years and it did fine; tho, it was rebuilt in Boca, FL by experts. Expcet to pay $3k or so, to replace that tranny. I'd bypassed almost all the stock control logic.
Like many ECM engine mods, the fuel calculations went away.
After breaking the stock D36, including the case, the replacement D36 (later design) has been just fine for over a decade, but ALL of it was cryo hardened, plus I don't beat my toys! That said, I am quite familiar with the aroma of liquid rubber.
Replacement seat coverings and foam is available and not too hard to change, but pricey.
FWIW, I like those colors and if that car runs anything like mine, you'll love it, assuming the reliability is similar. It took a while to work the bugs out, but now it is nearly as fast as the C6 Z06s. Lingenfelter has an excellent reputation, IF it is really theirs.
It seems the car market is very soft for those vehicles that are not super rare and stock, or historic. How cheap you can get it depends on your negotiating skill and the seller's need to sell, of course.
I love it with the newly installed ZF6-40, blueprinted by the ZF Doc, with his short throw shifter. The .50 O/D makes the car much more practical and enjoyable for more types of driving. I'm in love again! The longer stroke of the 406 (383, similar) delivers great starting torque and the SuperRam pulls strongly to 6300 rpm, where by fuel shuts down; that, with a 52mm BBK throttle body.
That said, the stock drivetrain won't last real long with all that extra torque. I ran the 4+3 for many years and it did fine; tho, it was rebuilt in Boca, FL by experts. Expcet to pay $3k or so, to replace that tranny. I'd bypassed almost all the stock control logic.
Like many ECM engine mods, the fuel calculations went away.
After breaking the stock D36, including the case, the replacement D36 (later design) has been just fine for over a decade, but ALL of it was cryo hardened, plus I don't beat my toys! That said, I am quite familiar with the aroma of liquid rubber.
Replacement seat coverings and foam is available and not too hard to change, but pricey.
FWIW, I like those colors and if that car runs anything like mine, you'll love it, assuming the reliability is similar. It took a while to work the bugs out, but now it is nearly as fast as the C6 Z06s. Lingenfelter has an excellent reputation, IF it is really theirs.
It seems the car market is very soft for those vehicles that are not super rare and stock, or historic. How cheap you can get it depends on your negotiating skill and the seller's need to sell, of course.
