Is C4 steering typically heavy?
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I hadn't driven my 96 in six years and when I first took it out to assess it's condition I thought "I'm going to have to get this steering looked at." That thought lasted for all of three minutes!
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I actually just bought a 96 auto c4 the other day and I too feel the steering is heavy when going p slow, I haven't really driven it much yet as I'm ironing out some bugs the previous owner left. BUT the wheel almost feels like I have no power steering when going slow but it has 245s in the front and 265s in the rear which is a big jump from my 95 Corolla with 195s all around, maybe other c4s out there have lighter steering. My tip is to manhandle the wheel
... comes to mind (just thinking out loud).
#47
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I think the OP should try driving another C4 just to make certain something wasn't going on with the first one he's ever driven.
I'll admit though my C4 seems to expect more control input force than modern cars, and in a good way, to me at least.
I travel a lot and rent a lot of Dodge Challengers, Mustangs and Camaros. Last fall I even had a chance to take a Lotus Evora around some twisty Ohio roads. Even with the "Sport" setting turned on, the steering was lighter than my C4. Dodge Challengers are my favorite cars to rent right now (love the AutoStick shifter) but for the life of me I can't really notice when I have the steering in sport mode. I'm talking about the setting that is changed in a menu on the display, not the "Sport" button on the dash. That button DOES make a difference in overall driving.
I'll admit though my C4 seems to expect more control input force than modern cars, and in a good way, to me at least.
I travel a lot and rent a lot of Dodge Challengers, Mustangs and Camaros. Last fall I even had a chance to take a Lotus Evora around some twisty Ohio roads. Even with the "Sport" setting turned on, the steering was lighter than my C4. Dodge Challengers are my favorite cars to rent right now (love the AutoStick shifter) but for the life of me I can't really notice when I have the steering in sport mode. I'm talking about the setting that is changed in a menu on the display, not the "Sport" button on the dash. That button DOES make a difference in overall driving.
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Well, it was literally the heaviest steering effort I ever felt in any automobile. It was precise, not loose, just over-the-top heavy.
I just sold a pristine C6 and that car had PERFECT steering. I previously had a C5 and that steering was a tad heavier than the C6, but still good. This C4 I drove today was unacceptable. I'm not a road racer, and perhaps the C4 steering is set up for that style of driving??
Anyway, I would NEVER buy a car that steers like the one I drove this morning.
Thanks for all comments! Very helpful, as always....
I just sold a pristine C6 and that car had PERFECT steering. I previously had a C5 and that steering was a tad heavier than the C6, but still good. This C4 I drove today was unacceptable. I'm not a road racer, and perhaps the C4 steering is set up for that style of driving??
Anyway, I would NEVER buy a car that steers like the one I drove this morning.
Thanks for all comments! Very helpful, as always....
The charm of the C4 is that it's still a sports car. The C5 and C6 are really touring coupes all things considered. A lot of people prefer that about them, GM spends massive amounts of money to soften up their sports car so that old men can drive them around in comfort with things like magnetic shocks and electric power steering and things like that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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#49
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Shopping around for a nice C4. Drove a forum members '93 today (first time driving a C4) and immediately noticed the HEAVY steering. Seemed to take a lot of effort at low speeds to turn the wheel. I had a C5 and a C6, both of those steered wonderfully, the C6 was the best, like driving a Toyota Camry.
Is this heavy steering typical for C4's????? If so, is there any fix?
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Is this heavy steering typical for C4's????? If so, is there any fix?
Thanks
#50
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Steering was the weakest point of my C6s, it was numb and dead and I may as well have been driving a Prius. The C4 has MUCH better steering IMO, but I like a sports car to have a more aggressive feel to it. Honestly, the lifeless steering in the C6 is what made me end up driving my C4 all the time over my C6 GS, and I ended up trading it for an F150 (which had basically the same steering as my C6 did).
The charm of the C4 is that it's still a sports car. The C5 and C6 are really touring coupes all things considered. A lot of people prefer that about them, GM spends massive amounts of money to soften up their sports car so that old men can drive them around in comfort with things like magnetic shocks and electric power steering and things like that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
The charm of the C4 is that it's still a sports car. The C5 and C6 are really touring coupes all things considered. A lot of people prefer that about them, GM spends massive amounts of money to soften up their sports car so that old men can drive them around in comfort with things like magnetic shocks and electric power steering and things like that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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The charm of the C4 is that it's still a sports car. The C5 and C6 are really touring coupes all things considered. A lot of people prefer that about them,
GM spends massive amounts of money to soften up their sports car so that old men can drive them around in comfort with things like magnetic shocks and electric power steering and things like that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
GM spends massive amounts of money to soften up their sports car so that old men can drive them around in comfort with things like magnetic shocks and electric power steering and things like that. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Maybe because those older people have money. When I was young and graduated college, I didn't have 2 pennies to rub together. I needed a car and it didn't matter as long as it could get me to work on time. I HAD TO put up with the discomfort. Now that I am older, I have more disposable income so I can CHOOSE NOT TO PUT UP with the discomfort that the younger and poorer people had no choice but to live with. I don't have to be the tough guy and suffer. I can enjoy the luxuries the money I worked for buys. If I have to suffer because I cannot afford to buy the tool to do a job, so be it. However, even Christ, if the bible can be believed also asked if he could skip the nail job. Even my dog knows how to find a comfortable spot so why should I be the tough guy and put up with unnecessary discomfort?
#52
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I have never noticed the "heavy" feel in the steering since owning C4's for the last 27 years.
I like the feel of the steering and the feedback it provides.
I have had some heavy steering cars like a '66 Olds 442 that had manual steering. That is a pretty big heavy car with a heavy motor sitting right over the front wheels. That steering was heavy at low speeds. In comparison our C4's are great.
However, I can understand that people with conditions like arthritis or other issues want an easier steering.
I like the feel of the steering and the feedback it provides.
I have had some heavy steering cars like a '66 Olds 442 that had manual steering. That is a pretty big heavy car with a heavy motor sitting right over the front wheels. That steering was heavy at low speeds. In comparison our C4's are great.
However, I can understand that people with conditions like arthritis or other issues want an easier steering.
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all things considered. A lot of people prefer that about them, GM spends massive amounts of money to soften up their sports car so that old men can drive them around in comfort with things like magnetic shocks and electric power steering and things like tha
Who needs all that garbage in a sports car
Chevy should just limit all that to the caddies and offer a Vette that has minimal power stuff. Manual climate controls, perhaps PW locks no abs traction nannies, reg old shocks etc. Make it feel alive again
Who needs air conditioned seats a 10 spd trans and 15 way power floormats
All the owners do now is compain about all the stuff anyways esp when it breaks
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#54
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Rack probably needs a rebuild. Many "pristine" C4s rarely have the rack gone through by a company like Turn One. If you're looking for a C4, budget some cash to go towards a rebuild and possible steering pump upgrade. If you're a little worried about the heavy steering by comparison to a C6 though, the rest of the car is going to be equally as disappointing as you spend more time with it. All C4s are practically antiques by today's standards.
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Who needs all that garbage in a sports car
Chevy should just limit all that to the caddies and offer a Vette that has minimal power stuff. Manual climate controls, perhaps PW locks no abs traction nannies, reg old shocks etc. Make it feel alive again
Who needs air conditioned seats a 10 spd trans and 15 way power floormats
All the owners do now is compain about all the stuff anyways esp when it breaks
Many of the owners just complain because they are too lazy, stupid or cheap to fix it but obviously it is important to them enough to complain about.
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#56
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What really makes it a sports car, touring couple, etc, etc? Who came up with that definition? Is it based of what we saw as a sports car way back when? I hear the same thing with HD. People are upset because the Harley today is different sounding that what they knew growing up. Sports cars have to have manual transmissions because back when, that was how it was. Exhaust noise has to sound like a muscle car of yesteryear which is also how ricers make their cars sound. In fact, they even try to make the same noise in the cabin because the driver is too stupid to understand that power doesn't have to come from noise simply because that was the way it was.
Maybe because those older people have money. When I was young and graduated college, I didn't have 2 pennies to rub together. I needed a car and it didn't matter as long as it could get me to work on time. I HAD TO put up with the discomfort. Now that I am older, I have more disposable income so I can CHOOSE NOT TO PUT UP with the discomfort that the younger and poorer people had no choice but to live with. I don't have to be the tough guy and suffer. I can enjoy the luxuries the money I worked for buys. If I have to suffer because I cannot afford to buy the tool to do a job, so be it. However, even Christ, if the bible can be believed also asked if he could skip the nail job. Even my dog knows how to find a comfortable spot so why should I be the tough guy and put up with unnecessary discomfort?
Maybe because those older people have money. When I was young and graduated college, I didn't have 2 pennies to rub together. I needed a car and it didn't matter as long as it could get me to work on time. I HAD TO put up with the discomfort. Now that I am older, I have more disposable income so I can CHOOSE NOT TO PUT UP with the discomfort that the younger and poorer people had no choice but to live with. I don't have to be the tough guy and suffer. I can enjoy the luxuries the money I worked for buys. If I have to suffer because I cannot afford to buy the tool to do a job, so be it. However, even Christ, if the bible can be believed also asked if he could skip the nail job. Even my dog knows how to find a comfortable spot so why should I be the tough guy and put up with unnecessary discomfort?
A coworker of mine fancies himself as a car guy too, but he's young and has only driven inexpensive FWD cars. He has an older Mazda3 hatch with an intake and exhaust, and thinks it's sporty. He thinks that a Mazdaspeed3 or an RX-8 is a fast sports car. He likes to talk about chassis balance and steering feel, but has no idea what any of it really means.
For me, a sports car needs to communicate what's going on to me. If I'm running out of grip, I should hear it in the tires, feel it in the steering wheel, and be able to tell from the chassis. If I swing a little too wide into the rumble strips, I should damn well know.
A lot of people associate a sports car with being something that looks nice and has 2 doors. For me, a (g00d) sports car needs to be closer to a race car than a normal car. Cars like the Boss 302, 1LE and Z28 Camaro, 911 GT3 RS, etc. - those are great sports cars. They have the feel of a race car, and the performance to back it up. They make you work for the performance, and are your companion, not your guide. Cars like the C5-C7 are a guide in going fast, not to the level of the GT-R where you're nearly a passenger in the car, but they simply take a lot of the involvement and work out of it.
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Who needs all that garbage in a sports car
Chevy should just limit all that to the caddies and offer a Vette that has minimal power stuff. Manual climate controls, perhaps PW locks no abs traction nannies, reg old shocks etc. Make it feel alive again
Who needs air conditioned seats a 10 spd trans and 15 way power floormats
All the owners do now is compain about all the stuff anyways esp when it breaks
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I am actually surprised that folks have been so nice to OP after the Camry comment. Some folks might consider my '88 to have "heavy" steering, but it is likely to be based on what you are used to. Compared to my wife's Chrysler 300, it is heavy. Compared to my '59 Mercedes with the BIG steering wheel, it is easy. I also have an '80 Trans Am which has very similar steering to the Vette and is quite different from my '79 Camaro Rally Sport that is very easy. With the big tires at low engine speed and not moving much, the steering will feel "heavy" but it feels good at speed on a road with curves where you really feel in control and in touch with the road.