ZF 6 Speed for 86?
05-20-2005, 01:48 AM
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ZF 6 Speed for 86?
I see lots of threads where Keisler and Richmond transmissions have been swaooed in to replace the 4+3, but wouldn't hte simplest swao be a ZF from an 89 or newer?
05-20-2005, 02:49 AM
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They are all about the same, really... the ZF requires some cutting of the tranny tunnel...
However, you already have the 4+3, so most of the hard work has been done - pedals, D44, hydraulics, etc.
The ZF is the best tranny available, as far as I am concerned.
However, you already have the 4+3, so most of the hard work has been done - pedals, D44, hydraulics, etc.
The ZF is the best tranny available, as far as I am concerned.
05-20-2005, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bogus
They are all about the same, really... the ZF requires some cutting of the tranny tunnel...
However, you already have the 4+3, so most of the hard work has been done - pedals, D44, hydraulics, etc.
The ZF is the best tranny available, as far as I am concerned.
However, you already have the 4+3, so most of the hard work has been done - pedals, D44, hydraulics, etc.
The ZF is the best tranny available, as far as I am concerned.
I really like mine. My father has an '85 with 4+3, I wish I could convince him to do a ZF6 swap. His car is popping out of 2nd right now which leads me to believe the tranny needs a rebuild. Maybe when he thinks about the rebuild I can convince him to do the swap. ; )-Joe
05-20-2005, 10:54 AM
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My 4+3 is also popping out of 2nd gear, that's why I'm looking at alternatives. The ZF seems logical considering it is a factory option and made for the car. I think I'll visit some auto wreckers and see what I can find.
05-20-2005, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MacVette86
My 4+3 is also popping out of 2nd gear, that's why I'm looking at alternatives. The ZF seems logical considering it is a factory option and made for the car. I think I'll visit some auto wreckers and see what I can find.
how many miles on your 4+3?
05-20-2005, 01:23 PM
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Did a ZF-6 TRANSplant on my 84 Xfire. Whether you do a Keisler or ZF, you'll need to cut trans tunnel to remove shifter "bucket".
The swap changes the personality of your car. No longer will you need to worry about missed shifts and balky shifter. FWIW, if your motor is a 2pc rear main seal, I highly recommend the Fidanza 6speed conversion aluminum FW. And also do the B+M or Hurst shifter at the same time. You'll want to do a D44 for shorter gearing as well.
The swap changes the personality of your car. No longer will you need to worry about missed shifts and balky shifter. FWIW, if your motor is a 2pc rear main seal, I highly recommend the Fidanza 6speed conversion aluminum FW. And also do the B+M or Hurst shifter at the same time. You'll want to do a D44 for shorter gearing as well.
05-20-2005, 03:38 PM
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My car has 100K miles on it, so its no shame on the 4+3 that it is starting to go. Also, I already have the D44 as my car is a manual to start with.
05-20-2005, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MacVette86
My car has 100K miles on it, so its no shame on the 4+3 that it is starting to go. Also, I already have the D44 as my car is a manual to start with.
05-20-2005, 10:24 PM
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if anyone is interested ive got a fresh 4+3 sitting around. was built a few years ago and just never used. $2500
the price is no joke, but with that in mind i bet your thinking conversion. i dont blame you one bit. if you want it to remain original though, just let me know.
the price is no joke, but with that in mind i bet your thinking conversion. i dont blame you one bit. if you want it to remain original though, just let me know.
05-20-2005, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ram Air Formula
if anyone is interested ive got a fresh 4+3 sitting around. was built a few years ago and just never used. $2500
the price is no joke, but with that in mind i bet your thinking conversion. i dont blame you one bit. if you want it to remain original though, just let me know.
the price is no joke, but with that in mind i bet your thinking conversion. i dont blame you one bit. if you want it to remain original though, just let me know.
yeah $2500 is alot for a used rebuilt 4+3.
05-22-2005, 03:50 AM
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that had better include a new case... $2500 is steep... the going rates are about $1600 or so...
The other question, does that include a rebuild of the +3 part? Or just the 4 part?
If that is a total overhaul, both manual and powerglide parts, then yes, $2500 is about right.
The other question, does that include a rebuild of the +3 part? Or just the 4 part?
If that is a total overhaul, both manual and powerglide parts, then yes, $2500 is about right.
05-22-2005, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bogus
that had better include a new case... $2500 is steep... the going rates are about $1600 or so...
The other question, does that include a rebuild of the +3 part? Or just the 4 part?
If that is a total overhaul, both manual and powerglide parts, then yes, $2500 is about right.
The other question, does that include a rebuild of the +3 part? Or just the 4 part?
If that is a total overhaul, both manual and powerglide parts, then yes, $2500 is about right.
All new components
ZF=$1800 + ship
Clutch= $450
Bellhousing= $130 + ship
Master slave = $90 Optional if oyu have an 84-88 slave
Clutch Slave = $90
Yoke: $40
Smaller starter = $100
Can use your own flywheel, and need a ZR12 ball stud = $40
New Single Mass Flywheel = $300
05-24-2005, 10:03 PM
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A Keisler kit would be a better deal
As LD85 has listed out; a ZF swap will cost over $3000, you'll have to source the parts from multiple suppliers, pay shipping on each order and you'll still have a used tranny which is very expensive to rebuild.
The Keisler Perfect Fit 5 speed conversion is less expensive, stronger and has a good overdrive, and the Keisler T-56 6 speed would not cost much more, and it would have all new components, and it would also use a "Corvette Approved" tranny.
Robert Hall - Keisler Engineering sales
Direct Line 423-773-9789
Main number 865-609-8187 ext 280
1966 327/300 Factory A/C
Keisler 5 Speed Vette #001 !
The Keisler Perfect Fit 5 speed conversion is less expensive, stronger and has a good overdrive, and the Keisler T-56 6 speed would not cost much more, and it would have all new components, and it would also use a "Corvette Approved" tranny.
Robert Hall - Keisler Engineering sales
Direct Line 423-773-9789
Main number 865-609-8187 ext 280
1966 327/300 Factory A/C
Keisler 5 Speed Vette #001 !
05-25-2005, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Hall - Keisler Sales
As LD85 has listed out; a ZF swap will cost over $3000, you'll have to source the parts from multiple suppliers, pay shipping on each order and you'll still have a used tranny which is very expensive to rebuild.
The Keisler Perfect Fit 5 speed conversion is less expensive, stronger and has a good overdrive, and the Keisler T-56 6 speed would not cost much more, and it would have all new components, and it would also use a "Corvette Approved" tranny.
Robert Hall - Keisler Engineering sales
Direct Line 423-773-9789
Main number 865-609-8187 ext 280
1966 327/300 Factory A/C
Keisler 5 Speed Vette #001 !
The Keisler Perfect Fit 5 speed conversion is less expensive, stronger and has a good overdrive, and the Keisler T-56 6 speed would not cost much more, and it would have all new components, and it would also use a "Corvette Approved" tranny.
Robert Hall - Keisler Engineering sales
Direct Line 423-773-9789
Main number 865-609-8187 ext 280
1966 327/300 Factory A/C
Keisler 5 Speed Vette #001 !
