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Old 05-22-2005, 09:28 PM
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Thinking about rebuilding my L98 , maybe to 383 , or would a ZZ4 swap be easier/better ? If I do the strker 383 kit , I could use a ZZ4 cam , but would smog be a problem in Calif. ?
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ZZ4 cam should pass CA emissions w/ no pr oblem
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shameless plug?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...77&forum_id=55

im trying to figure out where san fernando valley is - it looks like it's in northern ca.
i can deliver if interested.

ZZ4 is a great build, but if you play spray or forced induction, you can't get a ZZ4 with forged parts - that is why i went the way i did.

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Originally Posted by 85_togo
im trying to figure out where san fernando valley is - it looks like it's in northern ca.
i can deliver if interested.
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I wouldn't say that is shameless... you can supply what he is looking for!!! As for the question... if memory serves me some one here did the ZZ4 install and was not happy with it. I will also point out that they do have a 360hp TPI drop in crate motor!!! And it is about the same price.

To build or buy... that depends on you and your knowledge of building the motor. I was going to buy simply because of lack of time. Plus you get a warranty with it... that cant' be beat!!!
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Originally Posted by 85_togo
shameless plug?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...77&forum_id=55

im trying to figure out where san fernando valley is - it looks like it's in northern ca.
i can deliver if interested.

ZZ4 is a great build, but if you play spray or forced induction, you can't get a ZZ4 with forged parts - that is why i went the way i did.
Actually, the crank and rods in a ZZ4 ARE forged, still have hypercrap pistons though, still trying to figure that one out.......



Doug

ps, I love my ZZ4, get the ZZ383 wish it was available when I did mine!
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Don't have 3k I can blow right now but thanks.Still on the search for a vrigin 400 block- SFV is about 15-20 min. N.W. of LA. Napa is quite a bit further north. Beautiful up there.
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i got confused! i put your "location info" with the OP - how embarrassing!
well, i'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer!
hell, i'd deliver it to napa also!
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Will my stock TPI manifold and exhaust match the ZZ4 heads ? They're not vortec are they ?
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Default I love my ZZ4 TPI setup

I just dropped in a ZZ4 2 mponths ago. I chose to put my stock (86) TPI back on - a few guys here in the forum told me that would choke the engine - "never see 5000 RPM" was the dirrect quote.

Well I haven't dino'ed it yet - but it is a great setup - and I routinely saw 5400RPM at the end of the straightaway during track days - BTW the 355 HP ZZ4 for some reason could hold off - and match the c-5 and c-6's down the straights- no problem (I run a Keisler T500 trans)

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Sound like the ZZ4 is just the ticket ! Do all the accesories bolt up okay ? My old L98 ain't what she used to be .
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Originally Posted by 87 covertible
Sound like the ZZ4 is just the ticket ! Do all the accesories bolt up okay ? My old L98 ain't what she used to be .
All my stuff bolted right up - I just set the engines side by side on 2 engine stands (like 30 bucks at Harbor Freight) and went through and systematically changed out all of the brackets and accessories - 1 at a time - so I had a reference. Good idea to take lots of digital photos during the uninstall - it will help you lots with routing and connections later on - I just loaded them onto an old POS laptop and kept it right there in the shop - saved my bacon a few times!

From what I understand the Heads on a ZZ4 are identical to Vortek - but the Vortek are Iron - while the ZZ4 heads are aluminum carefull about torque when tightening bolts!

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Originally Posted by 87 covertible
Will my stock TPI manifold and exhaust match the ZZ4 heads ? They're not vortec are they ?
Yes they will fit, the ZZ4 comes with 113 Dport castings, the good ones!
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Originally Posted by kwik_ta
As for the question... if memory serves me some one here did the ZZ4 install and was not happy with it. I will also point out that they do have a 360hp TPI drop in crate motor!!! And it is about the same price.
Yes they do...here it is
SDPC 2000- 360 hp TPI

The day my engine fails this is going to in order
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Originally Posted by 2nd2SEX
Yes they do...here it is
SDPC 2000- 360 hp TPI

The day my engine fails this is going to in order
That's an awful big cam ! Wonder if it will pass Calif. smog check ?!?
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Originally Posted by 87 covertible
That's an awful big cam ! Wonder if it will pass Calif. smog check ?!?

That is not a awful big cam....looks like a LT4 hot cam to me.
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That is not a awful big cam....looks like a LT4 hot cam to me.
How about smog ???
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Originally Posted by 2nd2SEX
Yes they do...here it is
SDPC 2000- 360 hp TPI

The day my engine fails this is going to in order
That one has a 2 bolt main, unknown innards, and Vortech Heads which require SDPC Manifold to bolt the TPI intake up to(another $400). ZZ4 is 4 bolt main, Forged Fileted crank, PM Forged rods, and hypercrap pistons, 113 dport casting heads. TPI Intake bolts right on no problem. I think the ZZ4 is a better buy for the money. Buy the short block, drop some AFR's on it and a bigger cam and you got a nice motor.

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