Filler neck bolt? Retap vs Heli-Coil...or?
#1
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Filler neck bolt? Retap vs Heli-Coil...or?
One of my 9 filler neck mounting bolts is broken off. I tried an extractor, and it broke off...but I did get the bit out. Looks like someone was in there before me, and it looks a little chewed up, so I am thinking a clean extraction may not be possible. I was thinking of drilling out the old bolt, and either retapping it or using a heli-coil...but not sure those would work. Does anyone know what the bumpy gasket like thing is around the edge of the filler neck from the inside is? Looks like the filler neck bolts may actually be threaded into it. I could vice grip it from the inside with this out of the way, but a little hesistent to pop it out from the outside...looks like it might be a neck of some sort for a tank liner or something.
Any advice?
Any advice?
#2
Race Director
I would just drill it, and retap it to whatever next size tap will cut threads. Use that size bolt and be done with it. Make sure you catch the shavings somehow. It's not structural and you just need some clamping action to seal the neck, but you really don't need more than a few inch lbs. Don't blow yourself up.
#3
Le Mans Master
I would just drill it, and retap it to whatever next size tap will cut threads. Use that size bolt and be done with it. Make sure you catch the shavings somehow. It's not structural and you just need some clamping action to seal the neck, but you really don't need more than a few inch lbs. Don't blow yourself up.
#4
Drifting
One of my 9 filler neck mounting bolts is broken off. I tried an extractor, and it broke off...but I did get the bit out. Looks like someone was in there before me, and it looks a little chewed up, so I am thinking a clean extraction may not be possible. I was thinking of drilling out the old bolt, and either retapping it or using a heli-coil...but not sure those would work. Does anyone know what the bumpy gasket like thing is around the edge of the filler neck from the inside is? Looks like the filler neck bolts may actually be threaded into it. I could vice grip it from the inside with this out of the way, but a little hesistent to pop it out from the outside...looks like it might be a neck of some sort for a tank liner or something.
Any advice?
Any advice?
#5
Gas filler?
if doing it safely and dropping the tank is not possible..(fumes ignite easier than liquid),
I'd make a spreader and utilize that on the bolts on either side of the broken bolt and walk away.
Use the old spreader tab on edge bolt valve covers as a design guide.
Are you saying you've never been in there before? I'd proceed with caution....this sounds like it could be on the 6:00 news to me....
if doing it safely and dropping the tank is not possible..(fumes ignite easier than liquid),
I'd make a spreader and utilize that on the bolts on either side of the broken bolt and walk away.
Use the old spreader tab on edge bolt valve covers as a design guide.
Are you saying you've never been in there before? I'd proceed with caution....this sounds like it could be on the 6:00 news to me....
#6
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Thanks...I have put up a new post. Just like to determine if the part that acts as a retainer of some sort is part of the liner, or a separate part...Otherwise I will probably go this route. Can't find a pic of the liner out of the tank anywhere, after searching for hours...Thank you.
#7
Melting Slicks
were do you live? I want to maintain a safe distance!
If you plan on "drilling" into a fuel tank, it needs to be drained and purged of all gas fumes first. I don't know if this could be safely done on the car. I personally would remove it and take it to a fuel tank repair facility.
If you plan on "drilling" into a fuel tank, it needs to be drained and purged of all gas fumes first. I don't know if this could be safely done on the car. I personally would remove it and take it to a fuel tank repair facility.
#8
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
were do you live? I want to maintain a safe distance!
If you plan on "drilling" into a fuel tank, it needs to be drained and purged of all gas fumes first. I don't know if this could be safely done on the car. I personally would remove it and take it to a fuel tank repair facility.
If you plan on "drilling" into a fuel tank, it needs to be drained and purged of all gas fumes first. I don't know if this could be safely done on the car. I personally would remove it and take it to a fuel tank repair facility.
Tank has been empty for many months with the filler neck off. Send and return lines blasted clean through.
#9
Melting Slicks
retap to original size and thread pitch... In a low stress application like this there's probably going to be enough of the original metal left; you can always go bigger or install a helicoil later.
scared of being blown up ? It's a legitimate concern. Ventilate the tank throughly to remove all traces of gas and (especially) gas vapors. Fill tank completely with hot sudsy water (yes, I know you'll have to drain the tank and dry it out) or inert the tank with CO2, either from a compressed gas bottle or some dry ice.
if there's an indusrtrial supply house nearby, see if you can get a "left handed " drill bit of the appropriate size; you must use a drill capable of rotating in the "reverse" direction (most do); these bits drill in the counterclockwise direction and this alone will often be enough to get the old bolt to unscrew and back itself out.
Good luck...let us know how it all turns out.
scared of being blown up ? It's a legitimate concern. Ventilate the tank throughly to remove all traces of gas and (especially) gas vapors. Fill tank completely with hot sudsy water (yes, I know you'll have to drain the tank and dry it out) or inert the tank with CO2, either from a compressed gas bottle or some dry ice.
if there's an indusrtrial supply house nearby, see if you can get a "left handed " drill bit of the appropriate size; you must use a drill capable of rotating in the "reverse" direction (most do); these bits drill in the counterclockwise direction and this alone will often be enough to get the old bolt to unscrew and back itself out.
Good luck...let us know how it all turns out.
#10
Race Director
Thanks...I have put up a new post. Just like to determine if the part that acts as a retainer of some sort is part of the liner, or a separate part...Otherwise I will probably go this route. Can't find a pic of the liner out of the tank anywhere, after searching for hours...Thank you.
#11
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
retap to original size and thread pitch... In a low stress application like this there's probably going to be enough of the original metal left; you can always go bigger or install a helicoil later.
scared of being blown up ? It's a legitimate concern. Ventilate the tank throughly to remove all traces of gas and (especially) gas vapors. Fill tank completely with hot sudsy water (yes, I know you'll have to drain the tank and dry it out) or inert the tank with CO2, either from a compressed gas bottle or some dry ice.
if there's an indusrtrial supply house nearby, see if you can get a "left handed " drill bit of the appropriate size; you must use a drill capable of rotating in the "reverse" direction (most do); these bits drill in the counterclockwise direction and this alone will often be enough to get the old bolt to unscrew and back itself out.
Good luck...let us know how it all turns out.
scared of being blown up ? It's a legitimate concern. Ventilate the tank throughly to remove all traces of gas and (especially) gas vapors. Fill tank completely with hot sudsy water (yes, I know you'll have to drain the tank and dry it out) or inert the tank with CO2, either from a compressed gas bottle or some dry ice.
if there's an indusrtrial supply house nearby, see if you can get a "left handed " drill bit of the appropriate size; you must use a drill capable of rotating in the "reverse" direction (most do); these bits drill in the counterclockwise direction and this alone will often be enough to get the old bolt to unscrew and back itself out.
Good luck...let us know how it all turns out.
#12
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter