Cruz 86

The A/C in my 86 needs to be recharged a bit. I don't want to convert to 134. I used to always recharge my cars myself with those small cans of R 12. Can I still get them and how much do theycost these days? Thanks!

FIBERGLASMD

You have to have a license. I think R-12 here is $70/lb.

scorp508

R-12 here is $50/lb. I hear you can buy it from Mexico now online.

Cruz 86

What's involved in changing the system over to 134 in my 86?

DON M

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/609/...ans/index.html

This link will take you to the EPA site for auto techs. All of the info is there and it is the straight scoop, no BS.

AquaMetallic94LT1

How do you get it legally into the US ?

You could try to find someone who has stock piled some and buy it from them. Don't bother with ebay though, I tried to sell mine on there and it got pulled. I sold mine about 1.5 years ago. Too bad we didn't invest in it a few years before the ban. The stuff used to be less than 99 cents for 12 oz.

bogus

as I understand it, the only way you can buy R12 is in the big 30lb cans... 50.00 x 30 = 1500.00!!!!

DON M

With trade discounts and buying recycled, it is around $650 to $700 for a 30# tank. I prefer to do the R-134a switch anyway. The price can only go up.

93 ragtop

Hey Don,
I listen to the Pat Goss Show on saturdays, and he uses the R-406A at his shop. Says it is more compatable with a R-12 designed system then the R-134A is. I was wondering what your opinion was on the R-406A?

BubbleHead

I have four cans of R-12 if anyone needs some. Just drop me an e-mail.

DON M

I don't have any experiance with anything beside R-134a. We have 6, 400 ton McQuay chillers that use R-134a (800# per machine) so I have a good supply. :yesnod:

Rynda

Take the Vette on a vacation trip to Mexico.

2HIP4U

When I first moved to Texas 15 years ago,
R-12 sold in auto parts stores for about
a dollar a can. $.83 on sale.

There's not a day goes by here in the land of the
all day blast furnace that I don't thank the
environmentalists for their "contributions" to
to our society.


:mad

FIBERGLASMD

There's alot we can thank them for. There's even talk that's the reason why alot of the west is on fire. Nature has away of controlling things. Don't get me wrong I'm not anti-environmental.

khornet

Yes, the reason our state is going up in flames is because of insane, ignorant, tree-hugging f'ing environmentalists who think we have no business managing our forests. Now they can rest happliy knowing THEY caused the devastation to the largest Ponderosa pine stand in the world. They would not allow the forest service to clear the undergrowth of fire fuels. It will be 250-350 years before the forests here in AZ look anything like they did 6 months ago.

There my rant is over. I feel better now..... almost.


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ZBRA

You can still get R12 in the small cans. You have to have a license to buy it though. I have the license.

Ricks1989Roadster

Just purchase some Freeze12. It is compatible with R-12. I used it on my car and it works just like stock. BTW, it's about $6 a can and you will need 3-4 cans for a complete refill if it is empty.

xzvs

you can get a licence thru a.s.e. or m.a.c.s. --but I think you have to prove you worked on cars professionally for 2 years before you can get it. Even then If you get caught handling the stuff with out all the $$$ equip (recovery mach etc ) its a 10k buck fine or something like that. Switch to 134--I did and I have the 12 licence and the equipment. You will need to buy a can of 134 oil charge and then remember that 134 uses 85% of the 12 charge. Take it to your local a/c shop and have em recover your remaining r-12 (if there is any) they usually don't charge as they get to keep yer 12.

JonM

The last time I bought parts at the local Chevy dealership here in CT. They were advertising 50 lb canisters {r12} for sale. So I guess one doesn't need a license here.

xzvs

Nope --federal law--they were probably advertising for the local shops who buy parts there. Dealerships sell a lot of freon that way because only a shop owner will buy in bulk --so they have very little mark up on it to get buisness in the door. We bought ours fron the local ford dealer cause he had the best price in town. Will also let you know, I have been checked by the epa personally. They pose as reg customers get you to work on a car then pull out the federal id. The chances of getting caught doing it at your home are slim. They do however treat freon like illegal drugs and set up fake buyers for sting operations.(know of this first hand as my boss got busted in just such a deal)


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