C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

Headman Header Install

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-07-2015, 12:44 PM
  #1  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default Headman Header Install

Howdy,
I just started taking the stock manifolds off my 85 and was looking for a good way to mount the rear brackets for the a/c compressor and the alternator. It looks like I may be able to reuse the stock stuff but I wont know till I get that far. What did you do?
Thanks
Old 04-07-2015, 11:14 PM
  #2  
blackozvet
Melting Slicks
 
blackozvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Adelaide South Australia
Posts: 3,347
Received 281 Likes on 216 Posts

Default

re use the long studs that are on the original headers and make spacers to make up the difference on the Hedmans.

Old 04-07-2015, 11:23 PM
  #3  
IBVETN2
Racer
 
IBVETN2's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2005
Location: Quincy,Illinois
Posts: 338
Likes: 0
Received 48 Likes on 32 Posts

Default

What Blackoz says. I made my spacers from stainless steel, they look purdy
Old 04-08-2015, 05:24 AM
  #4  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Thanks guys. That's along the line i was thinking. From what ive read I'm gonna need a heated o2 sensor is there a specific part number or a universal?
Old 04-08-2015, 07:02 AM
  #5  
blackozvet
Melting Slicks
 
blackozvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Adelaide South Australia
Posts: 3,347
Received 281 Likes on 216 Posts

Default

This is the one i used, comes with the 02 sensor wired up with the connector,
have you welded in the 02 bung yet ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walker-3-wire-heated-O2-Oxygen-Sensor-Conversion-HEGO-/200962704758?hash=item2eca4f8576&vxp=mtr
Old 04-08-2015, 07:02 AM
  #6  
blackozvet
Melting Slicks
 
blackozvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Adelaide South Australia
Posts: 3,347
Received 281 Likes on 216 Posts

Default

This is the one i used, comes with the 02 sensor wired up with the connector,
have you welded in the 02 bung yet ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walker-3-wire-heated-O2-Oxygen-Sensor-Conversion-HEGO-/200962704758?hash=item2eca4f8576&vxp=mtr
Old 04-08-2015, 07:20 AM
  #7  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by blackozvet
This is the one i used, comes with the 02 sensor wired up with the connector,
have you welded in the 02 bung yet ?

Walker 3 Wire Heated O2 Oxygen Sensor Conversion Hego | eBay
No I haven't. The headers are coated so I thought I should put it past the collector close in the y pipe.
Old 04-08-2015, 07:23 AM
  #8  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by blackozvet
re use the long studs that are on the original headers and make spacers to make up the difference on the Hedmans.

Are the allen head header bolts a better idea than the hex ? I noticed thats what you used.
Old 04-08-2015, 07:49 AM
  #9  
blackozvet
Melting Slicks
 
blackozvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Adelaide South Australia
Posts: 3,347
Received 281 Likes on 216 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by spro2395
Are the allen head header bolts a better idea than the hex ? I noticed thats what you used.
as far as the 02 sensor goes, you can weld it into the collector and then touch up with silver high temp spray, gerard did this recently with his coated hedmans.

I used stainless allen head, but you have to modify an allen key (shorten it) to make it work, and its tough with the hedmans, they seem to start bending around pretty quick so clearance is limited on some of them.

Last edited by blackozvet; 04-08-2015 at 07:53 AM.
Old 04-08-2015, 08:15 AM
  #10  
DanielRicany
Melting Slicks
 
DanielRicany's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 3,065
Received 36 Likes on 34 Posts
Default

You won't be able to use the bracket that connects to the 2 header bolts for the cylinder 1 exhaust runner of the header.

You have to use the rear bar type bracket. Keep the stud that was from the exhaust manifold. You need to make a spacer. You can use a pipe from a local hardware store and just cut it to fit. Don't get it too big, and for the best results don't get one with a split down the center.

You must have at least 2 supports for the alternator or it will break over time.
Old 04-08-2015, 08:49 AM
  #11  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by DanielRicany
You won't be able to use the bracket that connects to the 2 header bolts for the cylinder 1 exhaust runner of the header.

You have to use the rear bar type bracket. Keep the stud that was from the exhaust manifold. You need to make a spacer. You can use a pipe from a local hardware store and just cut it to fit. Don't get it too big, and for the best results don't get one with a split down the center.

You must have at least 2 supports for the alternator or it will break over time.
I was wondering how to deal with the alternator. Im trying to picture what you're describing you wouldn't have a picture (or someone ) ?
I reread the post and I think I get it.

Last edited by spro2395; 04-08-2015 at 08:52 AM.
Old 04-08-2015, 08:52 AM
  #12  
ghoastrider1
Le Mans Master
 
ghoastrider1's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: indy indiana
Posts: 7,708
Received 265 Likes on 240 Posts

Default

Headman sells collectors adapters that have the bung hole in them. If I remember right, they were under 30 bucks .
Old 04-08-2015, 08:55 AM
  #13  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by ghoastrider1
Headman sells collectors adapters that have the bung hole in them. If I remember right, they were under 30 bucks .
I wish there was a bolt on y pipe too. TPS has one but it doesn't look like headman sell um.
Old 04-08-2015, 08:56 AM
  #14  
c4cruiser
Team Owner

 
c4cruiser's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Lacey WA RVN 68-69
Posts: 34,873
Received 476 Likes on 423 Posts
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

Here's a pic of a brace for the alternator. Not my engine but you can get a good idea of how it works.



If you don't have access to a welder, you can use 1/2" EMT conduit. After measuring the length you need, Just flatten the ends making sure the angles are right, and drill holes at each end.

I didn't use a heated O2 sensor on my '87 headers. I welded a bung in the driver's side collector and installed the existing sensor. The collector takes longer to get hot but it works. The existing wiring was long enough.

You will find that re-installing the OEM GM large starter will be a royal PITA. I would recommend getting a new Hitachi-style starter. I picked up a Summit clockable Mini-starter and it was a bolt-in. The car's wiring didn't need any modifications at all.
Old 04-08-2015, 09:47 AM
  #15  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by c4cruiser
Here's a pic of a brace for the alternator. Not my engine but you can get a good idea of how it works.



If you don't have access to a welder, you can use 1/2" EMT conduit. After measuring the length you need, Just flatten the ends making sure the angles are right, and drill holes at each end.

I didn't use a heated O2 sensor on my '87 headers. I welded a bung in the driver's side collector and installed the existing sensor. The collector takes longer to get hot but it works. The existing wiring was long enough.

You will find that re-installing the OEM GM large starter will be a royal PITA. I would recommend getting a new Hitachi-style starter. I picked up a Summit clockable Mini-starter and it was a bolt-in. The car's wiring didn't need any modifications at all.
Do I need to remove the starter to fit the passenger header ? I haven't gotten that far. Iv e removed the stock shorties and managed to fit the drivers side header down from up top.
Old 04-08-2015, 04:46 PM
  #16  
c4cruiser
Team Owner

 
c4cruiser's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Lacey WA RVN 68-69
Posts: 34,873
Received 476 Likes on 423 Posts
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

Originally Posted by spro2395
Do I need to remove the starter to fit the passenger header ? I haven't gotten that far. Iv e removed the stock shorties and managed to fit the drivers side header down from up top.
Yes, the OEM starter has to be removed to get the passenger side header into place. To get the OEM starter back in, do not bolt the header in place. It's best to have a helper hold onto the header so that it can be moved around as the starter and cables are re-installed.
Old 05-08-2015, 11:47 AM
  #17  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

What if anything did you guys use for heat shielding ? On the passenger side the transmission lines and starter wiring are quite close and on the drivers side the brake lines an close as well. I haven't got to the spark plugs yet to see if any of the wires will be a problem.

Get notified of new replies

To Headman Header Install

Old 05-08-2015, 04:00 PM
  #18  
TA
Team Owner
 
TA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2000
Location: Phila., PA burbs
Posts: 20,953
Received 261 Likes on 159 Posts

Default

For my alternator brace, I just used a piece of electrical conduit. I just crimped it on the end and bent it to the correct angles.


Old 05-09-2015, 10:35 PM
  #19  
blackozvet
Melting Slicks
 
blackozvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: Adelaide South Australia
Posts: 3,347
Received 281 Likes on 216 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by spro2395
What if anything did you guys use for heat shielding ? On the passenger side the transmission lines and starter wiring are quite close and on the drivers side the brake lines an close as well. I haven't got to the spark plugs yet to see if any of the wires will be a problem.
not a good photo, but i wrapped the short straight sections that go past the starter, and the wiring is inside the heatproof tube (the orange stuff and the silver stuff)

Old 05-11-2015, 10:32 AM
  #20  
spro2395
Racer
Thread Starter
 
spro2395's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by blackozvet
not a good photo, but i wrapped the short straight sections that go past the starter, and the wiring is inside the heatproof tube (the orange stuff and the silver stuff)

Where did you get the heat proof tube ?


Quick Reply: Headman Header Install



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:30 AM.