Newbie - help my 93 will not start
#41
I would pump it up then have some help to clamp off the rubber line from the tank if it holds it is the fuel pump or the line in the tank. If it does not hold then it is your injectors or fpr. Pull the vacumme line off the fpr and smell for gas.
#42
Melting Slicks
when you cycle the key your getting the prime (jumps up)and I your case drops off quickly, now if you keep cranking does the pressure stay up while cranking?
also if you disconnect each injector lead (pull the plugs on each/all injectors)does it start briefly?
#43
you can pull your injector rails fairly easily. and see which Injectors are leaking and how bad. (last step)
when you cycle the key your getting the prime (jumps up)and I your case drops off quickly, now if you keep cranking does the pressure stay up while cranking?
also if you disconnect each injector lead (pull the plugs on each/all injectors)does it start briefly?
when you cycle the key your getting the prime (jumps up)and I your case drops off quickly, now if you keep cranking does the pressure stay up while cranking?
also if you disconnect each injector lead (pull the plugs on each/all injectors)does it start briefly?
#44
No chance yet but will soon.
#45
Advanced
I have had similar experiences, after new pump, opti, etc. diagnosed through the FSM........ found that GM had expected the ECM to cycle 5-6 years........ this from the Guru...... MR. Killibrew..... after sending the ECM to K&B.... got it back and WOW, 3 revolutions and have not looked back, this was done last year, runs great, so my 0.02 cents is after following the FSM, ( which I am not going to quote here) and all is not Kosher, take a look at the ECM. What I have found is the FSM is invaluable, there are many anomalies that contribute to a no start.....great info from many folks...... I do wish you much good hunting.
#46
40 psi of fuel pressure is a bit on the low side - but it's enough to get the car to run. As you thought the leak down rate is not good - if the fuel is leaking back to the tank - it's an issue, but not a real major one - the car should at least run - if it's leaking into the engine - chances are that you have found your problem. (The electric fuel pump is capable of supplying enough fuel to supply the 300 HP engine - so even if there is a leak - as long as the "leak" ends up putting fuel into the tank (not into the engine) the fuel pump can pump fuel fast enough to maintain pressure with the leak - the car will run).
I would suggest that as antfarmer2 and s carter have posted - the next thing to do is to determine what the problem with the quick leak down is coming from. You can either pull all eight fuel injectors and see if one of more are leaking, or you can try to see if the fuel pressure regulator or fuel pump (check valve) are leaking. Bottom line - if the injectors aren't leaking fuel into the motor - and your fuel pump can maintain 40 psi while it's running - the fuel system doesn't seem to be the problem with the car not starting.
Hang in there and keep plugging away at it.
I would suggest that as antfarmer2 and s carter have posted - the next thing to do is to determine what the problem with the quick leak down is coming from. You can either pull all eight fuel injectors and see if one of more are leaking, or you can try to see if the fuel pressure regulator or fuel pump (check valve) are leaking. Bottom line - if the injectors aren't leaking fuel into the motor - and your fuel pump can maintain 40 psi while it's running - the fuel system doesn't seem to be the problem with the car not starting.
Hang in there and keep plugging away at it.
#47
Melting Slicks
40 psi of fuel pressure is a bit on the low side - but it's enough to get the car to run. As you thought the leak down rate is not good - if the fuel is leaking back to the tank - it's an issue, but not a real major one - the car should at least run - if it's leaking into the engine - chances are that you have found your problem. (The electric fuel pump is capable of supplying enough fuel to supply the 300 HP engine - so even if there is a leak - as long as the "leak" ends up putting fuel into the tank (not into the engine) the fuel pump can pump fuel fast enough to maintain pressure with the leak - the car will run).
I would suggest that as antfarmer2 and s carter have posted - the next thing to do is to determine what the problem with the quick leak down is coming from. You can either pull all eight fuel injectors and see if one of more are leaking, or you can try to see if the fuel pressure regulator or fuel pump (check valve) are leaking. Bottom line - if the injectors aren't leaking fuel into the motor - and your fuel pump can maintain 40 psi while it's running - the fuel system doesn't seem to be the problem with the car not starting.
Hang in there and keep plugging away at it.
I would suggest that as antfarmer2 and s carter have posted - the next thing to do is to determine what the problem with the quick leak down is coming from. You can either pull all eight fuel injectors and see if one of more are leaking, or you can try to see if the fuel pressure regulator or fuel pump (check valve) are leaking. Bottom line - if the injectors aren't leaking fuel into the motor - and your fuel pump can maintain 40 psi while it's running - the fuel system doesn't seem to be the problem with the car not starting.
Hang in there and keep plugging away at it.
I just cant shake the feeling that we are dealing with a bad or weak coil, but without jumping to non proven Diagnostics here is a link I pulled from the Archives of the forum. its pretty straight forward and to the point.
a bit of an after thought make sure coolant temp sensor is plugged and working, as lame as it sounds it can effect the car running. soon after I changed out my coil very happy and proud that I was up and running my car Flashes SYS. and shuts down. dead again so I start shaking wires found Coolant Temp had backed out wire, probably caused with all the tugging while I testing Optispark and belt change, all is well now.
http://www.mainstreamtopics.com/foru...rt-diagnostic/
Last edited by s carter; 07-09-2015 at 10:50 PM.
#48
I did not clamp the rubber line from the tank as I guess I have to do that from under the car by the tank. I have attached a picture of what I think is the FPR. I pulled of the vacuum line at this and there was no smell of gas. I smelled the engine oil again and it does smell of gas.
#49
Melting Slicks
I did not clamp the rubber line from the tank as I guess I have to do that from under the car by the tank. I have attached a picture of what I think is the FPR. I pulled of the vacuum line at this and there was no smell of gas. I smelled the engine oil again and it does smell of gas.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...oil-light.html
#50
You can pinch off the fuel line on the top of the tank and just a bit more work you can pull the pump and see if the line is cracked from the pump. But if no fuel in the oil sounding like ignition problem
Last edited by antfarmer2; 07-11-2015 at 07:26 PM.
#51
I just cant shake the feeling that we are dealing with a bad or weak coil, but without jumping to non proven Diagnostics here is a link I pulled from the Archives of the forum. its pretty straight forward and to the point.
a bit of an after thought make sure coolant temp sensor is plugged and working, as lame as it sounds it can effect the car running. soon after I changed out my coil very happy and proud that I was up and running my car Flashes SYS. and shuts down. dead again so I start shaking wires found Coolant Temp had backed out wire, probably caused with all the tugging while I testing Optispark and belt change, all is well now.
http://www.mainstreamtopics.com/foru...rt-diagnostic/
a bit of an after thought make sure coolant temp sensor is plugged and working, as lame as it sounds it can effect the car running. soon after I changed out my coil very happy and proud that I was up and running my car Flashes SYS. and shuts down. dead again so I start shaking wires found Coolant Temp had backed out wire, probably caused with all the tugging while I testing Optispark and belt change, all is well now.
http://www.mainstreamtopics.com/foru...rt-diagnostic/
#52
#53
Melting Slicks
but I basically prefer A/C Delco
Last edited by s carter; 07-11-2015 at 09:53 PM.
#54
Since the car does not run probably the cheap route would be the best choice right now just to see if that is the problem. Thank you.
#55
Melting Slicks
keep us posted,
Last edited by s carter; 07-12-2015 at 01:09 PM.
#56
Drifting
I did not clamp the rubber line from the tank as I guess I have to do that from under the car by the tank. I have attached a picture of what I think is the FPR. I pulled of the vacuum line at this and there was no smell of gas. I smelled the engine oil again and it does smell of gas.
#57
when you install what ever coil you choose. you will be 2 screws away from replacing the ICM and when I changed my coil had to remove the ICM to get at the riveted coil bracket, So if you do pull the ICM and not replace it make sure NOT to wipe off the grease from under ICM unless you have some of the Special ICM grease, and you don't have it get it.
keep us posted,
keep us posted,
#58
#59
Melting Slicks
I purchased a coil from advance auto which was the easy part. I got the bolt and nut off the coil bracket but now I have to remove the one last bolt holding the power steering reservoir bracket on. I will try that one tomorrow. Any tips for getting at that lower bolt?
#60
Burning Brakes
I would replace it because it does wear out, and lose it's ability to transfer heat.