C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

1992 H16 code won't clear out

Old 07-03-2015, 09:38 PM
  #1  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default 1992 H16 code won't clear out

Hello All,

I'm reposting my question in the Tech/Performance section for help from people that might not read the General discussion area.

I have a H16 (not current) code that will not stay cleared out of memory.

When I can get the code to clear, it just returns.

I've removed the battery cables, tried through the DIC.
All to no avail.

Separated the ECM connector from the Optispark pigtail. DC voltage at pin A back to the ECM is 4.7v.
Reconnected the pigtail and check at the pigtail end, voltage is 4.7v dc.

The displayed code is H16, no other codes, no Service Engine Soon.

Things that have been replaced in the last 3 months.
Spark plugs
Plug wires
Vented Optispark (Petris)
Water pump
Analog Coolant temp sensor.
Digital Coolant temp sensor.
O2 sensors
PCV valve
Drive belt
Flushed Radiator / new hoses
Had ECM tested (no trouble found)

Engine starts, idles and seem to generally run OK.

Any help with getting rid of this cockroach of a code is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Roy
Old 07-06-2015, 09:06 PM
  #2  
bogus
Team Owner
 
bogus's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: San Pedro CA
Posts: 40,144
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts

Default

Even resetting via the DIC?

Silly question... when you turn on the key to start the car, does the SES light come on? I wonder if the bulb is blown and the code is legit.
Old 07-06-2015, 10:37 PM
  #3  
antfarmer2
Race Director
 
antfarmer2's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Posts: 15,926
Received 578 Likes on 555 Posts
Default

Clean both ends of the opti pigtail and connections and try again
Old 07-08-2015, 06:59 PM
  #4  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bogus
Even resetting via the DIC?

Silly question... when you turn on the key to start the car, does the SES light come on? I wonder if the bulb is blown and the code is legit.
The SES works, I can set a code and it will illuminates.

You mentioned clearing the code through the CCM. Did you happen to find the procedure?
Old 07-08-2015, 07:04 PM
  #5  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by antfarmer2
Clean both ends of the opti pigtail and connections and try again
The pigtail is new, I replaced it when the code would not clear out.
I do have electrical connector cleaner, will clean the harness end of the connection.
Old 07-09-2015, 01:54 PM
  #6  
bogus
Team Owner
 
bogus's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: San Pedro CA
Posts: 40,144
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by reg_255
The SES works, I can set a code and it will illuminates.

You mentioned clearing the code through the CCM. Did you happen to find the procedure?
I will get them tonight.
Old 09-16-2015, 11:16 PM
  #7  
kimmer
Le Mans Master
 
kimmer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2009
Location: SF bay area C.A.
Posts: 6,380
Received 60 Likes on 41 Posts
C4 of the Year Finalist

Default

Any news on the outcome?
Old 09-17-2015, 06:22 PM
  #8  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Hey Kimmer,

Thanks for asking.

I kind of temporarily gave up on the H16 code.
I was just getting aggravated with no progress.

The car starts and runs/idles in the driveway, so I decided to working on some of the other issues to feel like something was being fixed.

I've replaced;

Fuel Injector O rings
Fuel Pressure Regulator
Intake Manifold Gasket
Stripped and painted the Valve Covers
New Valve cover Gaskets
A/C Clutch
Replaced the A/C controller
I have the Steering Wheel column out to fix the Loose tilt function.

Looking forward to fixing reinstalling the column to see if the A/C functions properly.

Regards,
Roy
Old 09-18-2015, 02:41 PM
  #9  
Christi@n
Drifting
 
Christi@n's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2014
Location: Trieste Italy
Posts: 1,575
Received 59 Likes on 49 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by reg_255
Hello All,

I'm reposting my question in the Tech/Performance section for help from people that might not read the General discussion area.

I have a H16 (not current) code that will not stay cleared out of memory.

When I can get the code to clear, it just returns.

I've removed the battery cables, tried through the DIC.
All to no avail.

Separated the ECM connector from the Optispark pigtail. DC voltage at pin A back to the ECM is 4.7v.
Reconnected the pigtail and check at the pigtail end, voltage is 4.7v dc.

The displayed code is H16, no other codes, no Service Engine Soon.

Things that have been replaced in the last 3 months.
Spark plugs
Plug wires
Vented Optispark (Petris)
Water pump
Analog Coolant temp sensor.
Digital Coolant temp sensor.
O2 sensors
PCV valve
Drive belt
Flushed Radiator / new hoses
Had ECM tested (no trouble found)

Engine starts, idles and seem to generally run OK.

Any help with getting rid of this cockroach of a code is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Roy
Did you ground the obd plug with paper clip, and deleted code with proper procedure using dash button?? And it come back?



16 code from chilton manual

Direct ingnition system (DIS), fault line circuit or Distributor ignition system (or low resolution pulse) or Missing 2X reference circuit or Optispark ingnition timing system (Low resolution pulse) or System voltage out of range

Last edited by Christi@n; 09-18-2015 at 03:01 PM.
Old 09-18-2015, 06:18 PM
  #10  
kimmer
Le Mans Master
 
kimmer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2009
Location: SF bay area C.A.
Posts: 6,380
Received 60 Likes on 41 Posts
C4 of the Year Finalist

Default

My code 16 won't wont go away either even though it'e all fixed. I just won't let it bother me.
Old 09-18-2015, 07:37 PM
  #11  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by kimmer
My code 16 won't wont go away either even though it'e all fixed. I just won't let it bother me.
That's the line of thought I'm taking, for right now.
It will be in the back of my mine bugging me, but if it runs fine I will get over it.

Want to get some of the other issues addressed so I can drive it.
Due to 3 back 1 neck surgery and broken heal bone (not all at the same time), I can only work for short periods of time on the car.

I bought it last October, still have only driven up and down my block after a repair.

Does yours run fine with the H16 code?

Regards,
Roy
Old 09-19-2015, 02:13 AM
  #12  
kimmer
Le Mans Master
 
kimmer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2009
Location: SF bay area C.A.
Posts: 6,380
Received 60 Likes on 41 Posts
C4 of the Year Finalist

Default

She runs great, the code is from the opti I just replaced, I don't understand why so many of us are having that problem.
Old 09-19-2015, 08:59 AM
  #13  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by kimmer
She runs great, the code is from the opti I just replaced, I don't understand why so many of us are having that problem.
What brand of Opti did you use?
Old 09-19-2015, 09:26 AM
  #14  
WVZR-1
Team Owner

 
WVZR-1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,045
Received 2,254 Likes on 2,017 Posts

Default

I would think the code 16 can't be avoided with likely the replacement of any Opti without the **OE sensor. I believe that if you do the code 16 diagnostics and the car runs well you have to disregard the code 16 and "drive on".


** A optical sensor with the same specs and also likely the wheel.

Last edited by WVZR-1; 09-19-2015 at 03:07 PM.
Old 09-19-2015, 10:46 AM
  #15  
kimmer
Le Mans Master
 
kimmer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2009
Location: SF bay area C.A.
Posts: 6,380
Received 60 Likes on 41 Posts
C4 of the Year Finalist

Default

Originally Posted by reg_255
What brand of Opti did you use?
I put a Petris in, seems to be running very good and I like that it's vented.
Old 09-19-2015, 04:17 PM
  #16  
cardo0
Le Mans Master
 
cardo0's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2002
Location: Las Vegas - Just stop perpetuating myths please.
Posts: 7,098
Received 373 Likes on 356 Posts

Default

U need to use the TRIP RESET button to get to module 4.0 (ECM) then press to get to 4.7. Now press and hold the ENG/MET button until "_" is displayed. This is for ECM module 4 codes. CCM module 1 code are cleared differently. Heres a good link: http://tech.corvettecentral.com/2011...trouble-codes/

Good luck.
Old 09-19-2015, 05:50 PM
  #17  
WVZR-1
Team Owner

 
WVZR-1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,045
Received 2,254 Likes on 2,017 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by cardo0
U need to use the TRIP RESET button to get to module 4.0 (ECM) then press to get to 4.7. Now press and hold the ENG/MET button until "_" is displayed. This is for ECM module 4 codes. CCM module 1 code are cleared differently. Heres a good link: http://tech.corvettecentral.com/2011...trouble-codes/

Good luck.
I don't believe anyone actually has a problem clearing the Code 16 initially BUT if the system isn't seeing what it wants the 16 goes directly to H (History) and even when cleared the system is going to see it again and stuff it back into the history. If you clear it and it stays "gone" you're good to go, if it reverts back to "HISTORY" then you need to confirm the run/functionality of the system and "ignore".

Get notified of new replies

To 1992 H16 code won't clear out

Old 09-19-2015, 08:27 PM
  #18  
reg_255
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
reg_255's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Location: Wake County NC
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

U need to use the TRIP RESET button to get to module 4.0 (ECM) then press to get to 4.7. Now press and hold the ENG/MET button until "_" is displayed. This is for ECM module 4 codes. CCM module 1 code are cleared differently. Heres a good link: http://tech.corvettecentral.com/2011...trouble-codes/

Been there done that, got the Tee Shirt.




Originally Posted by WVZR-1
I don't believe anyone actually has a problem clearing the Code 16 initially BUT if the system isn't seeing what it wants the 16 goes directly to H (History) and even when cleared the system is going to see it again and stuff it back into the history. If you clear it and it stays "gone" you're good to go, if it reverts back to "HISTORY" then you need to confirm the run/functionality of the system and "ignore".

I can clear the code, It just comes right back as a H16 code.
Old 12-17-2015, 10:36 PM
  #19  
Ominous Z06
Racer
 
Ominous Z06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Cincinnati OH
Posts: 489
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I have the same exact problem in my '93 LT1. I also have a Petris Opti. It's frustrating, because I changed the opti as the car would not idle or stay running, and died on accelerator. I thought it was my MSD unit dying. The car still will not run with the Petris, and I can't tell if there is a problem with the Petris unit as the H16 code will never reset. It is the only DTC code I get.

Last edited by Ominous Z06; 12-19-2015 at 01:05 AM.
Old 12-18-2015, 12:19 PM
  #20  
cardo0
Le Mans Master
 
cardo0's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2002
Location: Las Vegas - Just stop perpetuating myths please.
Posts: 7,098
Received 373 Likes on 356 Posts

Default

The DTC 16 means the PCM is not getting the 4 low res pulses for every 360 hi res pulses inside the Opti. Myself i would use an oscilloscope on the low res black & red wire from the Opti. U can "back pin" the connector for this. Sometimes u can just stuff a unbent paper clip in with the wire and connect your scope to this paper clip. If the scope has 2 channels u can look at the high resolution pulse and compare as the hi res signal has 90 times more pulses per revolution. If u dont see this then u have a problem inside the Opti.

For setting up the scope, pulses will only be 5v so use the 10v or 100v scale setting. And @ 1000 rpm u will get only 67 lo res pulses/sec so use 0.01sec/div for freq.

But i have read that the car will not start w/o the low res pulse. U have to prove this for your self. But u then have the issue down to just a few possibilities.

No lo res pulse = grounded red/black wire or bad Opti.

Good lo res pulse = open red/black wire between Opti connector and ECM or bad ECM.

Hope this helps.

Last edited by cardo0; 12-18-2015 at 12:20 PM.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: 1992 H16 code won't clear out



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:15 PM.