For the experts I COME IN PEACE !!
01-24-2015, 10:47 PM
#101
Le Mans Master
Tom,
Just for arguments sake among friends, because I will concede that a STOCK LS3 takes a STOCK LT.-5, but I found this dyno run of a stock LS-3
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1572603315
Looks to me it runs out of gas real fast after 6k and that a 93-95 stock
LT-5 would give it a run. One other point on top end has to do with aero.
Frontal area of a C6 is greater than a C4. Just something else to consider.
Just for arguments sake among friends, because I will concede that a STOCK LS3 takes a STOCK LT.-5, but I found this dyno run of a stock LS-3
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1572603315
Looks to me it runs out of gas real fast after 6k and that a 93-95 stock
LT-5 would give it a run. One other point on top end has to do with aero.
Frontal area of a C6 is greater than a C4. Just something else to consider.
01-24-2015, 11:00 PM
#102
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
Right, I agree with you that the C6 frontal area is larger, and power noses over "quickly"...but the LS3 is still quicker accelerating, and also has a higher top speed. Why?
More power, less weight, or some of both.
More power, less weight, or some of both.
Last edited by Tom400CFI; 01-24-2015 at 11:03 PM.
01-24-2015, 11:23 PM
#103
Burning Brakes
01-25-2015, 02:02 AM
#105
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
Sorry Dom...Not sure how or why what I'm saying would be offensive. 
One question you have raised is: '93^ cars are rated higher. I have never heard of them running faster than earlier cars. (?)
Love to. At least have a look. We should try to cross paths this spring, after some rain washes the salt away. Wait, that might happen Tuesday! 
One question you have raised is: '93^ cars are rated higher. I have never heard of them running faster than earlier cars. (?)
Last edited by Tom400CFI; 01-25-2015 at 02:15 AM.
01-25-2015, 07:57 AM
#106
Melting Slicks
Attached is a concise primer on the C-4 ZR-1.
While written a few years ago, it captures many highlights.
To those considering a purchase, you could make many far worse choices.
Perhaps some revel in comparing models 25 years apart, however I cannot ever recall ZR-1 owners gushing over the performance gains of the ZR-1 over C-2 or C-3 iconic big blocks, but maybe things were different then.
While a 57 Fuelie, or a 427/435 may not be able to keep up with my ZR-1, I have never felt compelled to point that out to owners when I meet them, and throwing up car test results like they were my personal achievements, as I am usually too wide-eyed from admiring their car to even think of such things.
A Corvette ZR-1 needs no defender. As time goes by it will surely join the ranks of earlier iconic, water-shed models, that forever changed the
performance landscape. I have watched the reaction to my car intensify year after year, and I see no reason that this will change.
When driving with other owners of newer, better, faster, they often comment upon reaching our destination, that they couldn't seem to put my headlights further behind when they jumped on it. I will now simply tell them that it must be "magic".
Time has not stood still since 1995.
Newer models have pushed the envelope even further, and will lead the way to even greater levels of performance than could have ever even been envisioned earlier in the cars history.
While the breed improves, it doesn't lessen the importance of those that came before it.
I can live with that.
Enjoy.
http://supercars.autotraderclassics....-corvette-zr-1
Marty
While written a few years ago, it captures many highlights.
To those considering a purchase, you could make many far worse choices.
Perhaps some revel in comparing models 25 years apart, however I cannot ever recall ZR-1 owners gushing over the performance gains of the ZR-1 over C-2 or C-3 iconic big blocks, but maybe things were different then.
While a 57 Fuelie, or a 427/435 may not be able to keep up with my ZR-1, I have never felt compelled to point that out to owners when I meet them, and throwing up car test results like they were my personal achievements, as I am usually too wide-eyed from admiring their car to even think of such things.
A Corvette ZR-1 needs no defender. As time goes by it will surely join the ranks of earlier iconic, water-shed models, that forever changed the
performance landscape. I have watched the reaction to my car intensify year after year, and I see no reason that this will change.
When driving with other owners of newer, better, faster, they often comment upon reaching our destination, that they couldn't seem to put my headlights further behind when they jumped on it. I will now simply tell them that it must be "magic".
Time has not stood still since 1995.
Newer models have pushed the envelope even further, and will lead the way to even greater levels of performance than could have ever even been envisioned earlier in the cars history.
While the breed improves, it doesn't lessen the importance of those that came before it.
I can live with that.
Enjoy.
http://supercars.autotraderclassics....-corvette-zr-1
Marty
Last edited by DRM500RUBYZR-1; 01-25-2015 at 09:25 AM. Reason: Spelink
01-25-2015, 11:58 AM
#108
Le Mans Master
Sorry Dom...Not sure how or why what I'm saying would be offensive.
One question you have raised is: '93^ cars are rated higher. I have never heard of them running faster than earlier cars. (?)
Love to. At least have a look. We should try to cross paths this spring, after some rain washes the salt away. Wait, that might happen Tuesday!
One question you have raised is: '93^ cars are rated higher. I have never heard of them running faster than earlier cars. (?)
Love to. At least have a look. We should try to cross paths this spring, after some rain washes the salt away. Wait, that might happen Tuesday!
No offense taken. It was meant as a joke. Line from Star Wars with Leia on the Death Star who remained combative in spite of the fact that her beloved Alderaan was about to be blown up.
01-25-2015, 02:47 PM
#109
Melting Slicks
01-25-2015, 05:43 PM
#110
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Attached is a concise primer on the C-4 ZR-1.
While written a few years ago, it captures many highlights.
To those considering a purchase, you could make many far worse choices.
Perhaps some revel in comparing models 25 years apart, however I cannot ever recall ZR-1 owners gushing over the performance gains of the ZR-1 over C-2 or C-3 iconic big blocks, but maybe things were different then.
While a 57 Fuelie, or a 427/435 may not be able to keep up with my ZR-1, I have never felt compelled to point that out to owners when I meet them, and throwing up car test results like they were my personal achievements, as I am usually too wide-eyed from admiring their car to even think of such things.
A Corvette ZR-1 needs no defender. As time goes by it will surely join the ranks of earlier iconic, water-shed models, that forever changed the
performance landscape. I have watched the reaction to my car intensify year after year, and I see no reason that this will change.
When driving with other owners of newer, better, faster, they often comment upon reaching our destination, that they couldn't seem to put my headlights further behind when they jumped on it. I will now simply tell them that it must be "magic".
Time has not stood still since 1995.
Newer models have pushed the envelope even further, and will lead the way to even greater levels of performance than could have ever even been envisioned earlier in the cars history.
While the breed improves, it doesn't lessen the importance of those that came before it.
I can live with that.
Enjoy.
http://supercars.autotraderclassics....-corvette-zr-1
Marty
While written a few years ago, it captures many highlights.
To those considering a purchase, you could make many far worse choices.
Perhaps some revel in comparing models 25 years apart, however I cannot ever recall ZR-1 owners gushing over the performance gains of the ZR-1 over C-2 or C-3 iconic big blocks, but maybe things were different then.
While a 57 Fuelie, or a 427/435 may not be able to keep up with my ZR-1, I have never felt compelled to point that out to owners when I meet them, and throwing up car test results like they were my personal achievements, as I am usually too wide-eyed from admiring their car to even think of such things.
A Corvette ZR-1 needs no defender. As time goes by it will surely join the ranks of earlier iconic, water-shed models, that forever changed the
performance landscape. I have watched the reaction to my car intensify year after year, and I see no reason that this will change.
When driving with other owners of newer, better, faster, they often comment upon reaching our destination, that they couldn't seem to put my headlights further behind when they jumped on it. I will now simply tell them that it must be "magic".
Time has not stood still since 1995.
Newer models have pushed the envelope even further, and will lead the way to even greater levels of performance than could have ever even been envisioned earlier in the cars history.
While the breed improves, it doesn't lessen the importance of those that came before it.
I can live with that.
Enjoy.
http://supercars.autotraderclassics....-corvette-zr-1
Marty
01-25-2015, 08:45 PM
#111
Melting Slicks
Very well said but please don't misunderstand. No one is putting the ZR1 down or flaunting their later models performance. On the contrary all my friends and certainly myself included are blown away and very amazed that a car from over two decades ago CAN AND SHOULD be mentioned with other current high performance models. These guys are performance fans at heart and all have great admiration and respect for the ZR1
I and other ZR-1 owners likewise have a great deal of respect for the newer models.
The C-7, and now with the Z06 variant. WOW!
10's?
Fricken 10's!
Off of the showroom floor?
You are kidding me right?
No?
One bad *** car!
I thought 5's were great until I met 6's....
7's.............................
Like they used to say.
If a little is good, then a lot is better, and TOO MUCH, well that is just enough.
A 53 Ivory over red.
A 57 fuelie.
Go look at a 58 for some time.
Then a 63 SWC.
A 67 427/435.
A 70 big block with PO2's.
A 75 Vert.
78 Pace Car.
82 Collectors Edition.
These plastic cars have such a heritage, combined with a current day car, the C-7, that is simply beyond belief.
Your racing endeavor is genuine, and as said earlier will be something to see.
There are no losers if they wear a Corvette badge!
Marty
Last edited by DRM500RUBYZR-1; 01-25-2015 at 08:46 PM. Reason: zpelinngk again.
01-26-2015, 12:11 AM
#112
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
01-26-2015, 12:12 AM
#113
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
Very well said but please don't misunderstand. No one is putting the ZR1 down or flaunting their later models performance. On the contrary all my friends and certainly myself included are blown away and very amazed that a car from over two decades ago CAN AND SHOULD be mentioned with other current high performance models. These guys are performance fans at heart and all have great admiration and respect for the ZR1
01-26-2015, 11:18 AM
#114
Le Mans Master
Very well said but please don't misunderstand. No one is putting the ZR1 down or flaunting their later models performance. On the contrary all my friends and certainly myself included are blown away and very amazed that a car from over two decades ago CAN AND SHOULD be mentioned with other current high performance models. These guys are performance fans at heart and all have great admiration and respect for the ZR1
Simple porting "top end" porting, not the heads, gets you into the 400rwhp range. Porting the heads puts you into the the 430rwhp range.
Then using bigger bumps on the cams is 450-475rwhp. ALL from a N/A stock block 5.7L peaking between 6800-7000rpm and idling at
8-900rpm. Now THAT is a fun car to drive.
01-26-2015, 11:24 AM
#115
Drifting
Attached is a concise primer on the C-4 ZR-1.
While written a few years ago, it captures many highlights.
To those considering a purchase, you could make many far worse choices.
Perhaps some revel in comparing models 25 years apart, however I cannot ever recall ZR-1 owners gushing over the performance gains of the ZR-1 over C-2 or C-3 iconic big blocks, but maybe things were different then.
While a 57 Fuelie, or a 427/435 may not be able to keep up with my ZR-1, I have never felt compelled to point that out to owners when I meet them, and throwing up car test results like they were my personal achievements, as I am usually too wide-eyed from admiring their car to even think of such things.
A Corvette ZR-1 needs no defender. As time goes by it will surely join the ranks of earlier iconic, water-shed models, that forever changed the
performance landscape. I have watched the reaction to my car intensify year after year, and I see no reason that this will change.
When driving with other owners of newer, better, faster, they often comment upon reaching our destination, that they couldn't seem to put my headlights further behind when they jumped on it. I will now simply tell them that it must be "magic".
Time has not stood still since 1995.
Newer models have pushed the envelope even further, and will lead the way to even greater levels of performance than could have ever even been envisioned earlier in the cars history.
While the breed improves, it doesn't lessen the importance of those that came before it.
I can live with that.
Enjoy.
http://supercars.autotraderclassics....-corvette-zr-1
Marty
While written a few years ago, it captures many highlights.
To those considering a purchase, you could make many far worse choices.
Perhaps some revel in comparing models 25 years apart, however I cannot ever recall ZR-1 owners gushing over the performance gains of the ZR-1 over C-2 or C-3 iconic big blocks, but maybe things were different then.
While a 57 Fuelie, or a 427/435 may not be able to keep up with my ZR-1, I have never felt compelled to point that out to owners when I meet them, and throwing up car test results like they were my personal achievements, as I am usually too wide-eyed from admiring their car to even think of such things.
A Corvette ZR-1 needs no defender. As time goes by it will surely join the ranks of earlier iconic, water-shed models, that forever changed the
performance landscape. I have watched the reaction to my car intensify year after year, and I see no reason that this will change.
When driving with other owners of newer, better, faster, they often comment upon reaching our destination, that they couldn't seem to put my headlights further behind when they jumped on it. I will now simply tell them that it must be "magic".
Time has not stood still since 1995.
Newer models have pushed the envelope even further, and will lead the way to even greater levels of performance than could have ever even been envisioned earlier in the cars history.
While the breed improves, it doesn't lessen the importance of those that came before it.
I can live with that.
Enjoy.
http://supercars.autotraderclassics....-corvette-zr-1
Marty
01-29-2015, 08:00 PM
#116
Le Mans Master
Sorry Dom...Not sure how or why what I'm saying would be offensive.
One question you have raised is: '93^ cars are rated higher. I have never heard of them running faster than earlier cars. (?)
Love to. At least have a look. We should try to cross paths this spring, after some rain washes the salt away. Wait, that might happen Tuesday!
One question you have raised is: '93^ cars are rated higher. I have never heard of them running faster than earlier cars. (?)
Love to. At least have a look. We should try to cross paths this spring, after some rain washes the salt away. Wait, that might happen Tuesday!
the bump in HP was accompanied by a bit more heft from the increased option list
the late models some reported to top at at 184
most of the modern stuff will run faster than that and get there quicker too
technology marches on
stock L88s weren't that fast either. but uncork them, and they perform well
witness the above 415
sure you can mod anything to make that HP and a hell of alot cheaper
but just for grins you should drive a zr-1 so you will see what these guys are talking about
the modern z06 and ZR1 will easily walk the old thumper, but I'm not sure they'll end up on the left coast from the right the quickest
the LT5 is pretty durable, some of the new stuff, not so much!
but I love all the generations and comparing them against each other is just cause for argument
01-29-2015, 10:45 PM
#118
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
01-30-2015, 12:29 AM
#120
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
Yep, that's not going to happen probably Long way from here to sea level for "just for kicks" test drive.
It's all relative anyway; most cars lose power equally here, so relatively speaking the differences "feel" about the same. If I'm headed through Illinois though, I will let you know.
It's all relative anyway; most cars lose power equally here, so relatively speaking the differences "feel" about the same. If I'm headed through Illinois though, I will let you know.