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Old 12-02-2013, 03:53 PM
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I am hoping a few pros will chime in, i am think in putting this cam in the vette, want to make as much power as possible.
we have added meth injection

Cam recommendation: 1998 Corvette with forged 402 short block, 72cc AFR 225 heads, .051" gasket, FAST 90 intake, 90mm TB, 6 speed manual, 3.42 gear, 1 7/8" headers, Intercooled procharger D1SC running 16-18psi, 6400 rpm shift points, 6800 rev limiter.
234/242 .612”/.615” 115LSA +4 advance (with 1.7 ratio rockers)
Comp LXL/LXL lobes 54-000-11 3 bolt cam core
13160R/13162R HR115LSA +4 advance (111 installed intake centerline)

Cam Valve Events 0.006 0.050 0.200
Intake Duration - ID 286 234 155 13160R LXL lobe .609"
Exhaust Duration - ED 294 242 162 13162R LXL lobe .615"
Lobe Center Angle - LSA 115 115 115
Intake Centerline - ICL 111 111 111

Intake Valve opens - IVO 32 6 -33.5 BTDC (- indicates ATDC)
Intake Valve closes - IVC 74 48 8.5 ABDC
Exhaust Valve Opens - EVO 86 60 20 BBDC
Exhaust Valve Closes - EVC 28 2 -38 ATDC (- indicates BTDC)
Exhaust Centerline - ECL 119 119 119
Overlap 60 8 -71.5 degrees

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Get arun's jam cam and be done.
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What's the static comp come out to? I think you are going to want to bump the shift point a little bit. Not sure why you'd be after the most power possible on a cam swap for a FI street car. It's not going to drive like stock no matter what anyone tells you. Must easier to run a little more boost.

Huge cam with not too much overlap will make power, but it's going to want LOTS of meth because of the higher dynamic compression.
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If I remember correctly you static compression is low.I would raise that,then run a 236lsl/242lxl on 116. Get static as close as possible to 10.5-1.

Last d1 402 we did made 840hp/750tq with that combo, LS2 intake.
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I have a very similar combo:

402ci
AFR 225 heads
1 7/8 headers
Novi 2000

With a 234/240 114 I made over 900+ rwhp. This cam was ground on xer lobes that many don't recommend, but it seems to be working okay. I think your choice of cam is great and will work well...limiting factor will be the d1.

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Originally Posted by Idle
If I remember correctly you static compression is low.I would raise that,then run a 236lsl/242lxl on 116. Get static as close as possible to 10.5-1.

Last d1 402 we did made 840hp/750tq with that combo, LS2 intake.
Whats your definition of low? Given his combo, I wouldn't go any higher than 9.5 or 10 : 1 on the static. 10.5 :1 isn't outrageous but its definitely at the point where at 16-18 psi boost, he would have to inject a bunch of meth to keep things under control. For the amount of power gained unless the car is a dedicated race car, it's not worth it to jack the compression up that high.
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What fuel you running?
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That cam doesn't have anywhere near an early enough EVO event for a 402 with a centrifugal s/c IMO.

IMO you need something more along the lines of this:

235/251 116lsa
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
That cam doesn't have anywhere near an early enough EVO event for a 402 with a centrifugal s/c IMO.

IMO you need something more along the lines of this:

235/251 116lsa
With only 11 degrees of overlap, I think that cam would run real nice in his combo too!
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Originally Posted by MVP'S ZO6
With only 11 degrees of overlap, I think that cam would run real nice in his combo too!
It could easily be down sized to a 231/247 116lsa and still make great power.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
It could easily be down sized to a 231/247 116lsa and still make great power.
And it would drive even better!!

as these numbers are thrown out I can't help but notice them getting closer to the "Jam Cam" specs.
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Originally Posted by MVP'S ZO6
And it would drive even better!!
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Originally Posted by 95vettski
I have a very similar combo:

402ci
AFR 225 heads
1 7/8 headers
Novi 2000

With a 234/240 114 I made over 900+ rwhp. This cam was ground on xer lobes that many don't recommend, but it seems to be working okay. I think your choice of cam is great and will work well...limiting factor will be the d1.

Thanks vettski, after a bit of research ive had the same thoughts, like to hear from Arun, Arun where the heck are you?
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Arun is Probably taking a break from the forum. Shoot him an email.
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Originally Posted by 95vettski
I have a very similar combo:

402ci
AFR 225 heads
1 7/8 headers
Novi 2000

With a 234/240 114 I made over 900+ rwhp. This cam was ground on xer lobes that many don't recommend, but it seems to be working okay. I think your choice of cam is great and will work well...limiting factor will be the d1.



Manual or Auto? What pulley was on the Novi 2k?
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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg
Manual or Auto? What pulley was on the Novi 2k?
Stick car with a 3" pulley
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Forced induction is sensitive to adjustments on the exhaust side, I would lean on the exhaust side

Something like a 230/245 with a 117 lsa

Getting it out is just as important as getting it in
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Originally Posted by MVP'S ZO6
Whats your definition of low? Given his combo, I wouldn't go any higher than 9.5 or 10 : 1 on the static. 10.5 :1 isn't outrageous but its definitely at the point where at 16-18 psi boost, he would have to inject a bunch of meth to keep things under control. For the amount of power gained unless the car is a dedicated race car, it's not worth it to jack the compression up that high.
Well, since I know the car and have tuned it. He wants a lot of power. runs a D1. Runs an Alky control meth kit.

I just find it funny that the OP lives near our shop, uses our shop, know we only build LS cars and still doesn't ask us.

Guess who we are? LOL
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Here is a cam I did for a D1SC blower motor. LS3 motor, but still utilizes a D1SC.



Granted it was the stock camshaft. It's seems hard for some to add a cam and not lose any power to the stock camshaft down low. This one does not. Most all of my cams do not unless they are very large and don't have optimum compression.

Graph with air fuel and timing was kept the same for the runs with new cam and stock cam.

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