What oil for forged motor?
#21
Le Mans Master
#23
Race Director
Buddy has a 903 Sonny Leonard racing motor in his car and Sonny says to use Rotello.. This is a $100K motor. And I have no financial gain by letting you know.
Last edited by Corvette0096; 11-27-2014 at 01:55 PM.
#24
Premium Supporting Vendor
If your bearing gaps are stock, and you are not tracking the car and getting the oil very hot, I'd consider this:
AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRTQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
AMSOIL has higher viscosity oils with lots of ZDDP, but in general, I wouldn't use a higher viscosity oil if the oil temp is "normal" which I'd say is under 250F assuming your bearing gaps are stock.
AMSOIL SAE Synthetic Premium Protection 10w40 (Product Code AMOQT)
(zinc – 1378 ppm, phosphorus 1265 ppm)
AMSOIL Z-ROD 20w50 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRFQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
For what its worth, I have forged pistons, piston rods in my LS6 making 410 RWHP and run AMSOIL's Dominator Racing 10w30 at the track. Stock bearing clearances and my oil temp is typically 245-255F at the track. The Z-ROD 10w30 is very similar to the Dominator 10w30, but has enough detergent/dispersant for ~3-5K oil change intervals whereas I change the racing oil at about 500 mil intervals.
More than happy to get AMSOIL products for forum members at dealer wholesale pricing, about 25% below retail, via the AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program. Drop me a PM if interested.
AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRTQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
AMSOIL has higher viscosity oils with lots of ZDDP, but in general, I wouldn't use a higher viscosity oil if the oil temp is "normal" which I'd say is under 250F assuming your bearing gaps are stock.
AMSOIL SAE Synthetic Premium Protection 10w40 (Product Code AMOQT)
(zinc – 1378 ppm, phosphorus 1265 ppm)
AMSOIL Z-ROD 20w50 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRFQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
For what its worth, I have forged pistons, piston rods in my LS6 making 410 RWHP and run AMSOIL's Dominator Racing 10w30 at the track. Stock bearing clearances and my oil temp is typically 245-255F at the track. The Z-ROD 10w30 is very similar to the Dominator 10w30, but has enough detergent/dispersant for ~3-5K oil change intervals whereas I change the racing oil at about 500 mil intervals.
More than happy to get AMSOIL products for forum members at dealer wholesale pricing, about 25% below retail, via the AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program. Drop me a PM if interested.
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Last edited by C66 Racing; 11-27-2014 at 09:44 AM.
#25
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
If your bearing gaps are stock, and you are not tracking the car and getting the oil very hot, I'd consider this:
AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRTQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
AMSOIL has higher viscosity oils with lots of ZDDP, but in general, I wouldn't use a higher viscosity oil if the oil temp is "normal" which I'd say is under 250F assuming your bearing gaps are stock.
AMSOIL SAE Synthetic Premium Protection 10w40 (Product Code AMOQT)
(zinc – 1378 ppm, phosphorus 1265 ppm)
AMSOIL Z-ROD 20w50 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRFQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
For what its worth, I have forged pistons, piston rods in my LS6 making 410 RWHP and run AMSOIL's Dominator Racing 10w30 at the track. Stock bearing clearances and my oil temp is typically 245-255F at the track. The Z-ROD 10w30 is very similar to the Dominator 10w30, but has enough detergent/dispersant for ~3-5K oil change intervals whereas I change the racing oil at about 500 mil intervals.
More than happy to get AMSOIL products for forum members at dealer wholesale pricing, about 25% below retail, via the AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program. Drop me a PM if interested.
AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRTQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
AMSOIL has higher viscosity oils with lots of ZDDP, but in general, I wouldn't use a higher viscosity oil if the oil temp is "normal" which I'd say is under 250F assuming your bearing gaps are stock.
AMSOIL SAE Synthetic Premium Protection 10w40 (Product Code AMOQT)
(zinc – 1378 ppm, phosphorus 1265 ppm)
AMSOIL Z-ROD 20w50 Synthetic Motor Oil (Product Code ZRFQT)
(zinc – 1440 ppm, phosphorus 1320 ppm)
For what its worth, I have forged pistons, piston rods in my LS6 making 410 RWHP and run AMSOIL's Dominator Racing 10w30 at the track. Stock bearing clearances and my oil temp is typically 245-255F at the track. The Z-ROD 10w30 is very similar to the Dominator 10w30, but has enough detergent/dispersant for ~3-5K oil change intervals whereas I change the racing oil at about 500 mil intervals.
More than happy to get AMSOIL products for forum members at dealer wholesale pricing, about 25% below retail, via the AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program. Drop me a PM if interested.
#26
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
I assume he is using the non synthetic types? I'm sure that motor is not on the street with cats... But this brand keeps coming up in many posts, now to figure out if I use it, which one?
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Race Director
#29
Premium Supporting Vendor
The 5wX and 10wX are not well understood.
These specs are per SAE J300, last revised in April 2013. Per this spec, 5wX is defined by low temp cranking viscosity (ASTM D5293) max of 6600 at -30C and low temp pumping viscosity max of 61000 (ASTM D4684) at -35C. 10wX is defined by low temp cranking viscosity (ASTM D5293) max of 7000 at -25C and low temp pumping viscosity max of 62000 (ASTM D4684) at -30C. You'll note there are minor differences between these including both the viscosity and temps at which they apply, but in both cases they are far below the temps most engines will see.
Most oil companies report viscosity at 40C (~100F), 100C (212F) and 150C (~300F), but I couldn't find any specs on Rotella on Shell's website. So for discussion purposes, I'll use the values from AMSOIL's Premium CJ-4 Synthetic Diesel 5w40. This diesel 5w40 has a viscosity of 90.8 at 40C (~100F). For comparison, the AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30 I listed above has a viscosity of 74.2 at the same temp. So for most cars, during oil warmup, a 10w30 will flow better than a 5w40. That will not be the case for those stored outside in the winter in temps well below zero.
Personally, don't see the benefit of using a diesel oil in an automotive application as diesel oil's have lots of anti-soot additives that aren't needed and don't benefit a gasoline engine.