Trans cooler
#1
Pro
Thread Starter
Trans cooler
I recently purchased a B&M trans cooler without doing much research (bad move). It was advertised as having temp control so I envisioned an internal temp monitor/valve. I planned on mounting it after the factory tranny cooler. When I found it was not temp controlled I searched the many cooler posts on the forum but did not find anything about this particular type cooler.
As I began to look into it, B&M's write up's stated that the temp control is through fluid viscosity. According to B&M, thick (cold) fluid is bypassed around the cooler and as the fluid warms the thinner viscosity fluid then begins to flow through the cooler. I can only guess that the flow is actually controlled by a fixed orifice inside the cooler that can't flow the cold fluid and bypasses it but it can flow the warmer, thinner fluid which then goes through the cooler.
The cooler is B&M Supercooler part # 70260. It's a stacked plate cooler that appears to be well made. My problem is this is a type of cooler I have never seen or read about. Everything I have seen is temperature controlled. Seems like viscosity control would not be as consistent or accurate as temperature control. I would imagine different trans fluids would have a different viscosity at the same temp. This would lead to trans cooling flow start points based on what brand/type fluid you are running. Don't know if this would be enough of a consideration to be important? One positive might be that with only an orifice to control flow there's very little to go wrong.
I'm not sure I like this type temp control so I am asking if anyone here has used this type of cooler, or has knowledge of this type cooler? Good? Bad? any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
As I began to look into it, B&M's write up's stated that the temp control is through fluid viscosity. According to B&M, thick (cold) fluid is bypassed around the cooler and as the fluid warms the thinner viscosity fluid then begins to flow through the cooler. I can only guess that the flow is actually controlled by a fixed orifice inside the cooler that can't flow the cold fluid and bypasses it but it can flow the warmer, thinner fluid which then goes through the cooler.
The cooler is B&M Supercooler part # 70260. It's a stacked plate cooler that appears to be well made. My problem is this is a type of cooler I have never seen or read about. Everything I have seen is temperature controlled. Seems like viscosity control would not be as consistent or accurate as temperature control. I would imagine different trans fluids would have a different viscosity at the same temp. This would lead to trans cooling flow start points based on what brand/type fluid you are running. Don't know if this would be enough of a consideration to be important? One positive might be that with only an orifice to control flow there's very little to go wrong.
I'm not sure I like this type temp control so I am asking if anyone here has used this type of cooler, or has knowledge of this type cooler? Good? Bad? any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Last edited by BURL; 05-16-2016 at 12:38 AM.
#2
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Thread Starter
Trans Cooler Help
Up Boy!!
I recently purchased a B&M trans cooler without doing much research (bad move). It was advertised as having temp control so I envisioned an internal temp monitor/valve. I planned on mounting it after the factory tranny cooler. When I found it was not temp controlled I searched the many cooler posts on the forum but did not find anything about this particular type cooler.
As I began to look into it, B&M's write up's stated that the temp control is through fluid viscosity. According to B&M, thick (cold) fluid is bypassed around the cooler and as the fluid warms the thinner viscosity fluid then begins to flow through the cooler. I can only guess that the flow is actually controlled by a fixed orifice inside the cooler that can't flow the cold fluid and bypasses it but it can flow the warmer, thinner fluid which then goes through the cooler.
The cooler is B&M Supercooler part # 70260. It's a stacked plate cooler that appears to be well made. My problem is this is a type of cooler I have never seen or read about. Everything I have seen is temperature controlled. Seems like viscosity control would not be as consistent or accurate as temperature control. I would imagine different trans fluids would have a different viscosity at the same temp. This would lead to trans cooling flow start points based on what brand/type fluid you are running. Don't know if this would be enough of a consideration to be important? One positive might be that with only an orifice to control flow there's very little to go wrong.
I'm not sure I like this type temp control so I am asking if anyone here has used this type of cooler, or has knowledge of this type cooler? Good? Bad? any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
As I began to look into it, B&M's write up's stated that the temp control is through fluid viscosity. According to B&M, thick (cold) fluid is bypassed around the cooler and as the fluid warms the thinner viscosity fluid then begins to flow through the cooler. I can only guess that the flow is actually controlled by a fixed orifice inside the cooler that can't flow the cold fluid and bypasses it but it can flow the warmer, thinner fluid which then goes through the cooler.
The cooler is B&M Supercooler part # 70260. It's a stacked plate cooler that appears to be well made. My problem is this is a type of cooler I have never seen or read about. Everything I have seen is temperature controlled. Seems like viscosity control would not be as consistent or accurate as temperature control. I would imagine different trans fluids would have a different viscosity at the same temp. This would lead to trans cooling flow start points based on what brand/type fluid you are running. Don't know if this would be enough of a consideration to be important? One positive might be that with only an orifice to control flow there's very little to go wrong.
I'm not sure I like this type temp control so I am asking if anyone here has used this type of cooler, or has knowledge of this type cooler? Good? Bad? any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
#3
Drifting
A lot of people are using this style cooler. I'm using the biggest one I could get (70274) 11"x11"x1.5"
I created a custom mount for it as I didn't want it to be hanging off of the radiator and condenser. I'm running the Yank SS3600 and the cooler is shrouded by my intercooler and it still works great.
I created a custom mount for it as I didn't want it to be hanging off of the radiator and condenser. I'm running the Yank SS3600 and the cooler is shrouded by my intercooler and it still works great.
#4
Safety Car
I also ran the BM 70274 but it wasn't enough at my power level especially since I canyon carve and go to the road course. So I went with the TRU-COOL MAX LPD47391. It's huge and keeps temps down even when I'm getting on it. No need for a fan either if you mount it where there's direct airflow.
Also don't worry about the cooler description about it being controlled by viscosity. It's a great design and allows the trans to warm up a bit and also it keeps pressure drop to a minimum. The BM and Tru Cool work the same in that regard. I had zero issues with either brand. With the BM I do recommend a fan if you'll be racing a lot. The Tru Cool is so big I haven't needed a fan for it. Highest temp I've seen has been 156 in stop n go traffic on a warm day.
Also don't worry about the cooler description about it being controlled by viscosity. It's a great design and allows the trans to warm up a bit and also it keeps pressure drop to a minimum. The BM and Tru Cool work the same in that regard. I had zero issues with either brand. With the BM I do recommend a fan if you'll be racing a lot. The Tru Cool is so big I haven't needed a fan for it. Highest temp I've seen has been 156 in stop n go traffic on a warm day.
Last edited by C5Natie; 05-26-2016 at 04:03 AM.
#5
Safety Car
I run the B&M 70297 with the fan on it. Does a pretty good job of kicking on about 175 degrees. I added a manual switch for fun, or in case the thermostat goes out.
#6
Melting Slicks
I like mine, it keeps temps of trans around 190* on hot days, it is mounted under driver headlight with break duct removed to feed air in and fender well cut out with louvre panel to protect it. Temps would hit 275*+ with a few wot runs before.
#7
Safety Car
190? Holy moley that's hot. Hottest I've gotten mine up to with the new cooler is like 160. Im sure seeing 275 shortened the life of the trans quite a bit.
#8
Melting Slicks
160 sounds pretty cool for a stalled trans being worked hard on a real hot day, heck I bet the air alone that close to the road here could be at 130 to 140, maybe hotter since the road can hit almost 160 and the air going into cooler is only inches away from it.
Last edited by Forcedvert; 06-06-2016 at 12:13 AM.
#9
Safety Car
Btw the occasional 180-200* wont necessarily immediately damage the trans. Its easy to get there especially if doing road course driving. What you dont want is for that to be your normal temps or temps for a prolonged period of time. Keep the fluid fresh and I would change it if i saw temps over 220.
If normal driving is under 170*, thats pretty good but I'd probably look for a bigger cooler knowing temps will rise with spirited driving. Also in Florida its humid so the bigger cooler will help with better heat transfer. Having a converter you can lock will really help too. A lot of your heat comes from the converter and converter clutch slippage. Thats why I ditched the Yank.
I use Redline High Temp ATF
If normal driving is under 170*, thats pretty good but I'd probably look for a bigger cooler knowing temps will rise with spirited driving. Also in Florida its humid so the bigger cooler will help with better heat transfer. Having a converter you can lock will really help too. A lot of your heat comes from the converter and converter clutch slippage. Thats why I ditched the Yank.
I use Redline High Temp ATF
Last edited by C5Natie; 06-06-2016 at 05:55 AM.
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