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Old 07-24-2007, 10:22 PM   #1
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Default Convertible Rear Window - How to Refasten

My 2001 convertible is my everyday car. I drive it in rain, snow and good weather. It is and always has been garaged. Three weeks ago at about 128,000 miles the back glass window separated from the top. The separation first started at the top and when it got to the sides and started separating at the bottom I stopped driving it.

Iíve done lots of research on this site and others (including BMW, Audi and other convertible top postings). The results are that upholstery people usually say the sealing process is high pressure done under heat at the factory and there is no way to duplicate it in the field so you have to replace the top. Estimates for top replacement range from lows in the area of $500 to $1000 to a high of $3000 with the average being $1000 to $1500.

Some people report glue attempts with total failures after days or weeks. Others report glue success and the glue holding after much longer times.

Those reporting glue success used a variety of glues including: JB Weld, Black silicone RTV sealant, pure clear silicone sealer, 3M high black weatherstrip adhesive, and urethane windshield glue. One person posted that he used a cyanoacrylate glue that he got at a hobby shop. Super glue and its various other names are cyanoacrylate glues.

I did my own research and settled on Rhino Glue which is a specially formulated cyanoacrylate that is waterproof, weatherproof and completely resistant to heat and cold. See www.rhinoglue.com for more information.

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I was not able to find this glue in any store and bought it online. This is a totally different glue than Liquid Nails Rhino Ultra Glue. Do not buy the Liquid Nails kind.

Here are pictures of what the separation looked like before I started gluing.

The first one was taken when the separation first started. Compare it with the ones below with the suction cups and you can see the progression of the separation down the side with just a little more driving.

My advice is to catch it before the window comes completely loose.

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These round red things are suction dent pullers.


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I found these online. They come in a 1, 2, 3 or 4 suction cup variety. www.cvfsupplycompany.com/sucusucupdep3.html. I bought the 4 cup variety without thinking. I got 2 of them (only needed one in the end) for $30 and that included the shipping. When they arrived, I realized that they were too large for the window so I cut them in half. A better choice would have been either the 2 cup or 3 cup ones. I then rigged up a way to pull them so that the glass would be pulled against the fabric. You can see that this simply involved screwing an eye into the rafter above.

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I found that if I unlatched the top and lifted it about a foot that it relieved the stretched fabric enough to manually push it against the glass. Note the rubber mallet I used to hold the front of the top up.

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I then applied the glue around the glass about 3 to 6 inches at a time. Be careful and test this out before you apply the glue. I made the mistake of starting on the sides and moving toward the middle and was left with a significant bunching at the middle. The glue set up so fast that I actually had to cut the top away from the glass at the corner to smooth out the bunching. At the finish of the job, I was still left with a little bunching at the drivers side. As Iím not a perfectionist and it isnít very noticeable, I havenít tried to correct it.

This is the finished job before I removed the dent pullers.

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I did the job at 7 PM and left the suction cups attached until the next morning at about 8 AM. I then drove the car to an automated carwash which I figured would be a great test for the bonding strength. It came through with flying colors - no separation of the window from the top and no sign of leaking.

I then drove it 50 miles with no sign of any separation.

If the glue is as advertised, judging by the part I had to remove and redo, I expect it will hold up for a very long time.
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Wow,
I don't have a Vert, but that is good thorough information that will help many Vert owners.

Good job with the repair and the post
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:34 PM   #3
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Good info and a great write up.

Keep us posted in the months and years to come on how it is holding up....
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I had the same problem with my vert top. I tried several different glues with no luck. I ended up buying a top off of a 04. Looks like you may have found a glue that works!
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Thanks for the great write up. I doubt I would be talented enough to do it, but I'm sure others will be able to.
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This happened to my 01 a while back.

I stuffed comforters into the rear shelf area which put pressure on the window and "set" it in place. After cleaning the window and top surfaces with alcohol I then lifted the top around the window, ran a 1/4 inch bead of black RTV all around the window, let it dry for 36 hours and its been fine ever since. I also ran a small bead around the window edge/top inside the car along the top for extra grip.
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:54 AM   #7
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Its obvious that you are a genuis ...my question to you is:
You have been a member since 6/19/03 and only have 8 posts ....
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Have we been missing out on more great advice? Or do you just like surfing the forum? Which ever way...its ok

In any event, you should see if you can make this one a C5 tech tip...Contact a moderator

One more thing......way to go guy

BTW...if you lived closer I'd have you as my Lawyer any day
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Awesome write up and thanks for taking the time.

Thats a topic thats come up so often and the write ups have always been very sketchy. Looks like you just joined the Reference Library with that one

Hope the repair holds up for you
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What a great article! Altho my top shows no sign of separating, I will file this article for future reference!

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Old 07-25-2007, 07:43 PM   #11
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What made me focus on the Rhino Glue is that it set up so quickly that I could apply pressure by hand over a few seconds or minutes. All the other glues work best with clamping. You can apply pressure by pulling like I did or pushing like you did but neither really applies a lot of pressure.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:48 PM   #12
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Its obvious that you are a genuis ...my question to you is:
You have been a member since 6/19/03 and only have 8 posts ....
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Have we been missing out on more great advice? Or do you just like surfing the forum? Which ever way...its ok

In any event, you should see if you can make this one a C5 tech tip...Contact a moderator

One more thing......way to go guy

BTW...if you lived closer I'd have you as my Lawyer any day
I am overwhelmed with success. I am a trial lawyer and work in the narrow field of estate, trust and real property litigation. Few estate & trust lawyers do litigation. Baby boomers seem to be more litigious than their parents. The result is that the demand for my time keeps me working hard 6 days a week and I don't have time to post.

Thanks for the compliments.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:53 PM   #13
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Great tip! Saving this one!
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:54 PM   #14
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A bud of mine, (ChasNme) is going through this now on his '99, I'll pass this on to him, thanks!
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:00 PM   #15
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Awesome write up!! You've probably just saved several folks, maybe me, a bunch of money.

I have a vert and while my window appears to be just fine right now, it could fall out anytime. I've bookmarked your write up for future reference.

Nice Job,

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Old 08-03-2007, 10:29 PM   #16
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Thanks for the detailed write up. I just had my window fall out this weekend and I am going to give this a try. Thanks again fellow esquire.
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great idea with the suction cups. thanks for sharing...
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Old 08-11-2007, 10:50 PM   #18
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Awesome write up!! You've probably just saved several folks, maybe me, a bunch of money.

I have a vert and while my window appears to be just fine right now, it could fall out anytime. I've bookmarked your write up for future reference.

Nice Job,

Should it ever happen to me...
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I am overwhelmed with success. I am a trial lawyer and work in the narrow field of estate, trust and real property litigation. Few estate & trust lawyers do litigation. Baby boomers seem to be more litigious than their parents. The result is that the demand for my time keeps me working hard 6 days a week and I don't have time to post.

Thanks for the compliments.
You are welcome Sir ...lack of time is understandable...BTW...I have been conducting Estate Sales for the past 20 years...if we lived closer we could have done great business together

P.S. take more time off for yourself and you will live longer to enjoy your success

BTW folkes, this is one of THE best write-ups I have seen in 6 years...thanks again to Sir "gem"

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Great write up and info. Thanks
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