To change or not to change coolant?
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To change or not to change coolant?
Well my coolant has aged past the 5 year mark.
Me and my buddy were working on his car doin the breaks and i brought up that i should work on changing my coolant.
My buddy used to have a z06 and told me if it aint broke dont fix it. He said he changed his coolant and had overheating issues. To get rid of the air pockets causing the overheating he said he had to run his car w/ no cap for like 5 hours to get all the air out.
....so the question is. Should i change my system?
Heres how i do it
Drain coolant from radiator plug and plug it back up up.
Fill w/ water, close cap, run engine w/ heat max on until thermo opens, drain and plug again
Fill w/ water, close cap, run engine w/ heat until thermo opens, drain and plug again.
Fill w/ 50/50 mix of coolant (will be using DEX-COOL)
Run w/ no cap for 5 min
Put cap on, leave car still running w/ heat until thermo opens. Let it cool, check level.
That way, the old system would be completely clean and the new stuff would be everywhere but going back to what my friend. He said i will have air pockets and a half causing overheating.
I also usually did my filling through radiator cap but this car doesn't have one. The coolant resavoir will do the same job rite?
What do you DIY guys think?
Me and my buddy were working on his car doin the breaks and i brought up that i should work on changing my coolant.
My buddy used to have a z06 and told me if it aint broke dont fix it. He said he changed his coolant and had overheating issues. To get rid of the air pockets causing the overheating he said he had to run his car w/ no cap for like 5 hours to get all the air out.
....so the question is. Should i change my system?
Heres how i do it
Drain coolant from radiator plug and plug it back up up.
Fill w/ water, close cap, run engine w/ heat max on until thermo opens, drain and plug again
Fill w/ water, close cap, run engine w/ heat until thermo opens, drain and plug again.
Fill w/ 50/50 mix of coolant (will be using DEX-COOL)
Run w/ no cap for 5 min
Put cap on, leave car still running w/ heat until thermo opens. Let it cool, check level.
That way, the old system would be completely clean and the new stuff would be everywhere but going back to what my friend. He said i will have air pockets and a half causing overheating.
I also usually did my filling through radiator cap but this car doesn't have one. The coolant resavoir will do the same job rite?
What do you DIY guys think?
Last edited by Dans-Z06; 03-06-2009 at 08:48 PM.
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I changed mine at nearly 6 years. I only have 27K on the clock, but decided to change it and check its condition.
It looked just like what I put back in. There was no color change or debris in what I removed.
It takes a while to do this. I cycled 5 times with water before I got clear draining. Refill is different in that we have no "radiator cap" but a resevior cap. Pretty much it is as you describe, and after the T stat opens you will burp all the air out. It did take a couple of days before I got the res level where I wanted it.
All in all, it is just peace of mind !
Good luck
It looked just like what I put back in. There was no color change or debris in what I removed.
It takes a while to do this. I cycled 5 times with water before I got clear draining. Refill is different in that we have no "radiator cap" but a resevior cap. Pretty much it is as you describe, and after the T stat opens you will burp all the air out. It did take a couple of days before I got the res level where I wanted it.
All in all, it is just peace of mind !
Good luck
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why not just use a turkey baster to pull it out of the tank and leave the little bit still in the system. Should be no problems with air like that. If it bothers you to have some old fluid left, do it again a week later.
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One of the main reasons why so many people have had problems with Dex-Cool is they neglected to change it when recommended by the factory. I would not tempt fate - change it, NOW!
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Factory says the coolant is good for 5 years or 100K miles, whichever comes first. If it were my car, I'd be changing the stuff.
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I didn't change mine at 5 years and it cost me $700 plus for a new radiator because two of the tubes where so clogged up the shop couldn't even run a rod through them.
Last edited by stormrider; 03-10-2009 at 06:43 PM.
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I've been changing mine every two years regardless of the miles. Havoline's Dex Cool and distilled water. I just pull the bottom hose off of the radiator. That's a whole lot easier than trying to get that Cheezy drainplug loose. $.02
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Dan's-Z06....from the responses, it sounds like you are way ahead of the curve here. Without a radiator cap, I wonder how difficult it might be to reverse flush the system like a "normal" system.
The last time I flushed an engine, I had the waterpump off and it was way easy!
The last time I flushed an engine, I had the waterpump off and it was way easy!
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From the 2000 Service Manual:
Draining and Filling Cooling System
Caution
With a pressurized cooling system, the coolant temperature in the radiator can be considerably higher than the boiling point of the solution at atmospheric pressure. Removal of the surge tank cap, while the cooling system is hot and under high pressure, causes the solution to boil instantaneously with explosive force. This will cause the solution to spew out over the engine, the fenders, and the person removing the cap. Serious bodily injury may result.
NOTICE
When adding coolant, it is important that you use GM Goodwrench DEX-COOL® or HAVOLINE® DEX-COOL® coolant. If Coolant other than DEX-COOL® or HAVOLINE® DEX-COOL® is added to the system the engine coolant will require change sooner; at 50 000 km (30,000 mi) or 24 months.
Notice
DO NOT use cooling system seal tabs, or similar compounds, unless otherwise instructed. The use of cooling system seal tabs, or similar compounds, may restrict coolant flow through the passages of the cooling system or the engine components. Restricted coolant flow may cause engine overheating and/or damage to the cooling system or the engine components/assembly.
Drain and Fill Procedure
Important
If the procedure below is not followed a low or high coolant level condition and/or vehicle damage could result.
1. Park the vehicle on a level surface.
2. Follow the steps below to remove the radiator surge tank fill cap:
o Slowly rotate the cap counterclockwise1/4 turn and then stop. Do not press down..
o Allow any residual pressure, indicated by a hissing sound, to be relieved.
o After all hissing stops, continue turning counterclockwise to remove the cap.
o To tighten the cap, use hand tight pressure only.
3. Open the radiator drain ****.
4. Allow the system to drain completely.
5. Inspect the engine coolant:
o Discolored -- follow the flush procedure below.
o Normal in appearance -- Continue with the next step.
6. Close the radiator drain ****.
Important
When filling the cooling system use a 50 to 60 percent concentration with DEX-COOL® coolant.
7. Fill the system through the surge tank opening.
8. Fill half the capacity of the system with 100 percent DEX-COOL® coolant.
9. Slowly add clean drinkable water to the system until the level reaches to the base of the neck.
10. Start the engine.
11. Idle engine for 1 minute.
12. Install surge tank cap.
13. Cycle the RPM, idle to 3000 in 30 second intervals until engine coolant reaches 99°C (210°F).
14. Shut off the engine.
15. Refer to step 3 above to remove the surge tank cap.
16. Start the engine.
17. Idle engine for 1 minute and fill surge tank to 1/2 inch above COLD FULL mark on the radiator surge tank.
18. Install the surge tank cap.
19. Cycle the RPM, idle to 3000 in 30 second intervals until engine coolant reaches 99°C (210°F).
20. Shut off the engine.
21. Top off coolant as necessary, 1/2 inch above FULL COLD mark on the radiator surge tank.
22. Rinse away any excess coolant from the engine and the compartment.
23. Inspect the concentration of the coolant.
Flush Procedure
Important
Do not use a chemical flush.
1. Block the drive wheels.
2. Place the transmission in Park or Neutral.
3. Engage the parking brake.
4. Run the engine until the thermostat opens.
5. Stop the engine.
6. Follow the drain and fill procedure using only clean drinkable water repeat if necessary until the fluid is nearly colorless. Refer to the drain and fill procedure.
7. Fill the cooling system. Refer to the drain and fill procedure.
Draining and Filling Cooling System
Caution
With a pressurized cooling system, the coolant temperature in the radiator can be considerably higher than the boiling point of the solution at atmospheric pressure. Removal of the surge tank cap, while the cooling system is hot and under high pressure, causes the solution to boil instantaneously with explosive force. This will cause the solution to spew out over the engine, the fenders, and the person removing the cap. Serious bodily injury may result.
NOTICE
When adding coolant, it is important that you use GM Goodwrench DEX-COOL® or HAVOLINE® DEX-COOL® coolant. If Coolant other than DEX-COOL® or HAVOLINE® DEX-COOL® is added to the system the engine coolant will require change sooner; at 50 000 km (30,000 mi) or 24 months.
Notice
DO NOT use cooling system seal tabs, or similar compounds, unless otherwise instructed. The use of cooling system seal tabs, or similar compounds, may restrict coolant flow through the passages of the cooling system or the engine components. Restricted coolant flow may cause engine overheating and/or damage to the cooling system or the engine components/assembly.
Drain and Fill Procedure
Important
If the procedure below is not followed a low or high coolant level condition and/or vehicle damage could result.
1. Park the vehicle on a level surface.
2. Follow the steps below to remove the radiator surge tank fill cap:
o Slowly rotate the cap counterclockwise1/4 turn and then stop. Do not press down..
o Allow any residual pressure, indicated by a hissing sound, to be relieved.
o After all hissing stops, continue turning counterclockwise to remove the cap.
o To tighten the cap, use hand tight pressure only.
3. Open the radiator drain ****.
4. Allow the system to drain completely.
5. Inspect the engine coolant:
o Discolored -- follow the flush procedure below.
o Normal in appearance -- Continue with the next step.
6. Close the radiator drain ****.
Important
When filling the cooling system use a 50 to 60 percent concentration with DEX-COOL® coolant.
7. Fill the system through the surge tank opening.
8. Fill half the capacity of the system with 100 percent DEX-COOL® coolant.
9. Slowly add clean drinkable water to the system until the level reaches to the base of the neck.
10. Start the engine.
11. Idle engine for 1 minute.
12. Install surge tank cap.
13. Cycle the RPM, idle to 3000 in 30 second intervals until engine coolant reaches 99°C (210°F).
14. Shut off the engine.
15. Refer to step 3 above to remove the surge tank cap.
16. Start the engine.
17. Idle engine for 1 minute and fill surge tank to 1/2 inch above COLD FULL mark on the radiator surge tank.
18. Install the surge tank cap.
19. Cycle the RPM, idle to 3000 in 30 second intervals until engine coolant reaches 99°C (210°F).
20. Shut off the engine.
21. Top off coolant as necessary, 1/2 inch above FULL COLD mark on the radiator surge tank.
22. Rinse away any excess coolant from the engine and the compartment.
23. Inspect the concentration of the coolant.
Flush Procedure
Important
Do not use a chemical flush.
1. Block the drive wheels.
2. Place the transmission in Park or Neutral.
3. Engage the parking brake.
4. Run the engine until the thermostat opens.
5. Stop the engine.
6. Follow the drain and fill procedure using only clean drinkable water repeat if necessary until the fluid is nearly colorless. Refer to the drain and fill procedure.
7. Fill the cooling system. Refer to the drain and fill procedure.