Piston Slap
04-25-2011, 06:25 PM
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Piston Slap
I have piston slap till the engine warms up. Just out of curiosity, what would you guys guess would be the percentage of c5's that have this?
04-25-2011, 07:19 PM
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What exactly is piston slap? I mean the name hints the piston "slapping" something...but it seems with the "slapping" of metals that would've been addressed or would cause major problems, like a piston and valve meeting or something catastrophic like that.
04-25-2011, 08:27 PM
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From Service Bulletin>
Some of the above vehicles may exhibit an engine knock noise that begins in the first several thousand miles/kilometers of use. The knock noise is most often noticed during initial start-up and typically disappears as the engine warms up. The noise is usually more noticeable when tenperature is below 10 degrees C (50 degrees F) or if the vehicle has not been used for several days.
This noise may be caused by an interaction between the piston and the cylinder wall. GM Powertrain engineering, and an analysis of engines returned with this condition, has confirmed that the noise is not detrimental to the performance, reliability or durability of the engine. The noise does not have any effect on the longevity of any of the engine components.
Important At this time, replacing the engine assembly or pistons will not eliminate this noise. Please share the information found in this bulletin with customers who inquire about this condition. In the event they have additional questions or concerns, please advise them to contact Customer Assistance.
Some of the above vehicles may exhibit an engine knock noise that begins in the first several thousand miles/kilometers of use. The knock noise is most often noticed during initial start-up and typically disappears as the engine warms up. The noise is usually more noticeable when tenperature is below 10 degrees C (50 degrees F) or if the vehicle has not been used for several days.
This noise may be caused by an interaction between the piston and the cylinder wall. GM Powertrain engineering, and an analysis of engines returned with this condition, has confirmed that the noise is not detrimental to the performance, reliability or durability of the engine. The noise does not have any effect on the longevity of any of the engine components.
Important At this time, replacing the engine assembly or pistons will not eliminate this noise. Please share the information found in this bulletin with customers who inquire about this condition. In the event they have additional questions or concerns, please advise them to contact Customer Assistance.
04-25-2011, 10:44 PM
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I have noticed it just a bit with my 03 AE, but it was a real issue on my 94 LT1 in my Trans Am.
Pretty scary when you hear it for the first time. I found that after a short warm-up it went away and did not reappear until the next cold(er) startup.
Pretty scary when you hear it for the first time. I found that after a short warm-up it went away and did not reappear until the next cold(er) startup.
04-25-2011, 11:15 PM
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Piston slap sounds like rattling a coffee can full of marbles and is common on engines like ours that have a short-skirt piston design. This is a "typical" long-skirt piston:
And here is a short-skirt style piston:
Notice on the first piston that there is a long "skirt" extending well below the piston pin - unlike the second picture. The longer skirts produce more drag and friction in the engine, which is part of the reason they don't use them in our engines.
The "slap" is the sound of the piston skirts hitting the cylinders walls as thrust direction changes. You only hear it when the eninge is cold because the pistons heat up as the engine gets hot, the clearance betweem the pistons and the cylinder walls reduces and the sound becimes inaudible.
As many of these engines as we've seen go 250K miles and more, I doubt it's anything to worry about. It may sound disconcerting, but it's just the nature of the beast.
And here is a short-skirt style piston:
Notice on the first piston that there is a long "skirt" extending well below the piston pin - unlike the second picture. The longer skirts produce more drag and friction in the engine, which is part of the reason they don't use them in our engines.
The "slap" is the sound of the piston skirts hitting the cylinders walls as thrust direction changes. You only hear it when the eninge is cold because the pistons heat up as the engine gets hot, the clearance betweem the pistons and the cylinder walls reduces and the sound becimes inaudible.
As many of these engines as we've seen go 250K miles and more, I doubt it's anything to worry about. It may sound disconcerting, but it's just the nature of the beast.
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04-25-2011, 11:54 PM
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if my engine is cold I get it. Sicne they put it in the owners manual, I would say that the majority of them have it. Sounds like a knock until it warms up.
04-26-2011, 12:34 AM
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You should hear my Dodge truck with 90,000 miles. Not a bit worried. I've seen engines go many many hours with a little "slap". Oh, the Dodge is fairly new, by the way. 09.
