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Old 05-09-2012, 04:24 AM   #21
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Well that is the rumor, but you best call GM and confirm that with the Service department adjuster. Again, our rides are hitting 12 years old, they my not cover the phone call. When I talked to the Service adjuster for my situation, he told me GM was only able to cover one attempted fix, so if you got fix #1,#2 or #3 and it still locked your steering wheel, fix #4 (which is a physical plate installed in the steering column so the solenoid can't latch up) is the fix that will stop the locking wheel, as far as the 2 mile cut off, I didn't ask him on that.

I spoke to Rich at Compliance Parts and he sent me the installation and a wiring diagram and I could see that the LMC5 cuts out all of the electrical wires and solenoid in the stock design. It replaces it and sends the BCM the correct information so you don't have a lock or fuel shut off, it truely is simple and works. In stead of all those wires down stream, you fix it at the source, the BCM and you don't have to look back. PS, it's reversiable if you desire...
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:11 AM   #22
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I have to go back to the stealership to pick up 2 $10 each hood adjuster bolts, I will ask them then. I couldn't find front hood adjusters anyplace but the stealership and even then I had to take a picture of the location since they kept trying to sell me the rubber rear hood adjusters.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:20 AM   #23
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Good info ^^^

So if I read that correctly if the car has never gone in for the recall it could still be covered on GM's dime?
That is correct. GM MUST do the NHTSA recall service on the car if it has never been done before. The GMVIS will show whether the Column Lock Recall service is still outstanding on the car. The NHTSA recall NEVER expires as long as the service has not been done to the vehicle. GM will do it free ***.

There is also a misunderstanding about the different variations of the recall service. They were NOT separate recalls. Just different variations of the work done to complete the NHTSA recall. Back in the 2004 time frame when the recall came out GM was trying to correct the problem once and for all, albeit as cheaply as possible. The different variations had slightly different parts that were installed in an attempt to correct the problem. Unfortuneately the fault lies in the design of the BCM logic and GM was NOT willing to spend the $$$$ to redesign the BCM and then free of charge install it into the hundreds of thousands of cars in the recall. Some cars but certainly not all cars got more than one variation of the recall service done free by GM. By late 2006 they were anxious to put a stop to the $$$ they were spending on the column lock issue for a car that had been out of production for more than 3 years. They were already spending $$$ on the column lock problems for the C6 manual trans vehicles that were experiencing failures but not of the nature to be a safety risk that would warrant a NHTSA recall.

There is an advantage to the 04006C recall being done on a car that has never had the recall service. Namely GM does NOT set the fuel shutoff on that variation of their service. If you read the tables at the front of the link I posted you will see that. So with the 04006C recall done you will not get stranded by the system. Most you will get is the PIA "Pull key and wait....." message in the DIC. Car will still be driveable even if the GM K Harness installed as a part of 04006C fails and it likely will.


*** There can, however, be a hitch that will cost the vehicle owner $$$ even if the recall service has never been done. If the column lock motor has failed, replacement of that part is NOT covered for free.......

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Old 05-09-2012, 10:47 AM   #24
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That is correct. GM MUST do the NHTSA recall service on the car if it has never been done before. The GMVIS will show whether the Column Lock Recall service is still outstanding on the car. The NHTSA recall NEVER expires as long as the service has not been done to the vehicle. GM will do it free ***.

There is also a misunderstanding about the different variations of the recall service. They were NOT separate recalls. Just different variations of the work done to complete the NHTSA recall. Back in the 2004 time frame when the recall came out GM was trying to correct the problem once and for all, albeit as cheaply as possible. The different variations had slightly different parts that were installed in an attempt to correct the problem. Unfortuneately the fault lies in the design of the BCM logic and GM was NOT willing to spend the $$$$ to redesign the BCM and then free of charge install it into the hundreds of thousands of cars in the recall. Some cars but certainly not all cars got more than one variation of the recall service done free by GM. By late 2006 they were anxious to put a stop to the $$$ they were spending on the column lock issue for a car that had been out of production for more than 3 years. They were already spending $$$ on the column lock problems for the C6 manual trans vehicles that were experiencing failures but not of the nature to be a safety risk that would warrant a NHTSA recall.

There is an advantage to the 04006C recall being done on a car that has never had the recall service. Namely GM does NOT set the fuel shutoff on that variation of their service. If you read the tables at the front of the link I posted you will see that. So with the 04006C recall done you will not get stranded by the system. Most you will get is the PIA "Pull key and wait....." message in the DIC. Car will still be driveable even if the GM K Harness installed as a part of 04006C fails and it likely will.


*** There can, however, be a hitch that will cost the vehicle owner $$$ even if the recall service has never been done. If the column lock motor has failed, replacement of that part is NOT covered for free.......

My lock solenoid works perfectly as far as I can tell. I have only had the car 3 weeks, so no issues yet. The original owner I got it from says he never had it done, but when I check online for recalls, none come up.

Should I leave it alone, attempt to get the recall done, or just install the parts from Compliance?
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:07 AM   #25
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My lock solenoid works perfectly as far as I can tell. I have only had the car 3 weeks, so no issues yet. The original owner I got it from says he never had it done, but when I check online for recalls, none come up.

Should I leave it alone, attempt to get the recall done, or just install the parts from Compliance?
How are you checking online???

To start with I would send an email to either of the two people below and include your VIN. Ask them to email you back the GMVIS for the vehicle and check to see if the recall is outstanding.


dfichtner@fichtnerchevrolet.com Dennis Fichtner

gene@gmpartshouse.com Gene Culley

If it is still outstanding I would likely take it in and have the Recall service done on it. Print out the 04006C in the link I provided and make certain that is the service that gets done to the car.

If the recall is already closed on your car, then I would certainly consider the LMC5 and because it is a 98 I would NOT do the CLB.

If your column currently works correctly (ie locks when there is no key in the ignition), you are tempting fate and may well get stranded by a failure of the system. Eventually the factory system is going to fail. Just a matter of when and where. Your driveway would be very convenient but hungreds of miles from home would not be nice. Of course you can also trade the car for a 2001 - 2004 automatic and not have to do anything further.....

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Old 05-09-2012, 11:22 AM   #26
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I used a basic recall checker online that checks via the VIN.
What is the CLB? (Column Lock B?)
I actually ordered the LMC5 last week just in case, but if GM will fix it at their cost I will do that instead.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:34 AM   #27
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I used a basic recall checker online that checks via the VIN.
What is the CLB? (Column Lock B?)
I actually ordered the LMC5 last week just in case, but if GM will fix it at their cost I will do that instead.
Column Lock Bypass

Send an email and get the GMVIS.............
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:52 PM   #28
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I have a 98 automatic that had the recall(the steering wheel did not lock with key out) and the problem reoccurred. I bought and installed the LMC5 and all is well. Great instructions and easy install.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:27 PM   #29
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This is the electrical design of the C5 Steering wheel soleniod and it shows how the LMC5 (in light gray) replaces the stock design. I got this from Rich at Compliance Parts prior to receiving the LMC5 Kit. Following it help me understand what I was installing and took the fear of installing an aftermarket item thay may affect the C5's driveability.
With this I could see that Rich's design was better than all the other fixes down stream of the BCM.. Good luck it really helped me understand Rich's design.

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Old 05-09-2012, 08:49 PM   #30
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This is the electrical design of the C5 Steering wheel soleniod and it shows how the LMC5 (in light gray) replaces the stock design. I got this from Rich at Compliance Parts prior to receiving the LMC5 Kit. Following it help me understand what I was installing and took the fear of installing an aftermarket item thay may affect the C5's driveability.
With this I could see that Rich's design was better than all the other fixes down stream of the BCM.. Good luck it really helped me understand Rich's design.

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Unfortunately that information does NOT apply to the 1997 and 1998 C5.

According to AmethystVette's profile his car is a 1998.

The Column Lock Relay was introduced by GM in the 1999 C5 cars. In 1997 and 1998 the BCM directly operated the lock motor. Of course you likely don't have access to a shop manual for those early years or you might have know that.

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Actually my car is a 2000. And I did not see the relay and never did this step. I told Rich this and he said it was not needed even if I did have the relay. He said that power would not go to the relay with the LMC5 installed anyway.



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Unfortunately that information does NOT apply to the 1997 and 1998 C5.

According to the OP's profile his car is a 1998.

The Column Lock Relay was introduced by GM in the 1999 C5 cars. In 1997 and 1998 the BCM directly operated the lock motor. Of course you likely don't have access to a shop manual for those early years or you might have know that.
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Actually my car is a 2000. And I did not see the relay and never did this step. I told Rich this and he said it was not needed even if I did have the relay. He said that power would not go to the relay with the LMC5 installed anyway.
Sorry, with the various posters I lost track of who the OP was.

My post should have referred to the car owned by AmethystVette.

I'll correct my post...
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Sorry, with the various posters I lost track of who the OP was.

My post should have referred to the car owned by AmethystVette.

I'll correct my post...
Not a big deal. You're only human. Lol.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:38 PM   #34
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I installed the LMC5 in my 2004 M6 car as I didn't want to get stranded. The column worked as it was supposed to but I didn't trust it. After I installed it I would get the pull key and 2 mph shutoff ever once in a while. Called Rich and he sent me the LMC5R. From what Rich said it is not better than the LMC5 but some bcm's don't like the LMC5 and the "R" satisifies these picky bcm's.
I just put it in yesterday but so far I can't get it to give me a message. I think its good to go now but if I ever my car tuned I will ask to have the 2mph shutoff changed.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:38 PM   #35
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Went to the dealer today to pick up part that they of course ordered wrong. :toe tap:
I got a printout of the recalls preformed. It appears it was done. They replaced the harness.

Do I still need the LMC5? Everything operates as is should meaning the wheel locks in place with the key out.

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Old 05-11-2012, 09:48 PM   #36
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Went to the dealer today to pick up part that they of course ordered wrong.
I got a printout of the recalls preformed. It appears it was done. They replaced the harness.

Do I still need the LMC5? Everything operates as is should meaning the wheel locks in place with the key out.

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You have the reprogram of the PCM to add the 2mph shutoff. I don't believe they actually added the harness kit to a manual but they may have. The recall procedure only specified the harness kit (GM K Harness) for automatics but many dealers had no clue what they were doing on this recall and may have installed one.

But that is all moot since you plan to install the LMC5 and not a CLB.

I would definitely do some type of device and the LMC5 is a better choice for early cars. If you don't you are open to being stranded by the 2mph fuel shutoff and/or a locked column when you least need it to happen.

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I realize this thread got confusing and I apologize if I hijacked it...

Are you thinking that the printout indicates they put a harness in for an M6?
I am wondering if I need to install the LMC5 at all.
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I realize this thread got confusing and I apologize if I hijacked it...

Are you thinking that the printout indicates they put a harness in for an M6?
I am wondering if I need to install the LMC5 at all.
If you read the GMVIS entry it specifically states that "Install Harness kit reprogram..."

Doesn't necessarily reflect what was done but you have to look to see what they actually did. Person who made the GMVIS entry may have not been the Tech that did the work and they may have written what they "thought" was done vs actually done. I have seen that OFTEN.

If it were my car and I planned to drive it, I would install some type of aftermarket solution for the column lock. If you want to take a chance on getting stranded because the column locks up and you cannot get it unlocked or experience the 2mph fuel shutoff, that is certainly your choice.....

My choice if it were my car would be the LMC5 because it is an early car and the CLB often results in the "Pull key and...." message on early cars.

Good luck with your decision.....

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Check your PM's..........
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:25 AM   #40
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Yes you still need the LMC5, all of the GM fixes, except the physical PLATE, your solenoid still can lock up. Don't waste your time installing the GM fixes. Read these problems other C5 vette owners are having, most of not all have 1 or 2 or 3 fixes from GM and got stranded. GM did not address the problem correctly. I had the "Y" cable, I got Stranded, why, solenoid still locked up.

The LMC5 eliminates the solenoid from the wiring design, the LMC5 becomes the new circuit that tells the BCM that an (imagenary solenoid & 2 mile gas shut off is working) so you DON"T HAVE to deal with that solenoid or the gas shut off anymore.

You can do what you want, but I would just install the LMC5 and be done with it forever. Again the last fix from GM is a PHYSICAL plate they remove and installs a NEW plate WITH NO HOLE for the solenoid to lock up into, the solenoid still trys but nothing happens, but it doesn't address the 2 mile fuel cut off, so you can drive, but within 2 miles, the fuel shuts off and your die a few feet forward... Get the LMC5.

If your worried, call Richard at "Compliance Parts", he is an engineer and can answer all and any question regarding the "Steering Column Lock", believe me he is an expert.

Heres the web site: http://complianceparts.com/index.html
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