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Old 11-15-2014, 07:24 AM
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I know. I guess I'm trying to find the best of both worlds. Better tire wear and good handling and performance. There probably isn't a happy medium.
then do this. meet in the middle. do -.050 camber on both sides front and rear. you'll barely notice any inside wear and get slightly better cornering.
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This was from my car that you are referring to. Stock camber is -0.25. You'll notice the camber is slightly lower on the left when compared to the right. When someone sits in a vehicle, the camber goes higher on the left and lower on the right. Reason for higher caster on the right is to offset the road crown. If caster was equal, the car would drift right.toe being less on the right is because steering wheel was .01 to the right. So turning the wheel left .01 would make toe .03 on both sides.

Side note: I have c6 z06 wheels and tires on my car.

I just now noticed that you said the camber was lower on the left to compensate for the drivers weight but the picture you posted shows higher camber on the left both front and rear. I'm confused.
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I just now noticed that you said the camber was lower on the left to compensate for the drivers weight but the picture you posted shows higher camber on the left both front and rear. I'm confused.
Or am I reading it wrong?
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Or am I reading it wrong?

Also noticed a .03 difference in the front camber but a .05 difference in the rear camber.
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I just now noticed that you said the camber was lower on the left to compensate for the drivers weight but the picture you posted shows higher camber on the left both front and rear. I'm confused.
The numbers are negative. Negative is less or lower. The more negative the camber, the more the tire leans inward.

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Also noticed a .03 difference in the front camber but a .05 difference in the rear camber.
You will never notice .02* difference. I wasn't going for complete perfection.
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So, I need alignment done both on my 99 coupe and my 02 Z06. I called the local Corvette shop for a price, $350 if nothing needs replaced. I then called a local and very highly recommended alignment shop, for a price. They will set it to my specs for $80. I just don't understand why the HUGE difference in price. Is it that since they only do Corvettes they have to charge more for lack of buisness? Do they charge more because many Corvette owners seem to have more money to spend and expect to do so because it is a Corvette or just because they can? I know they are always busy so I doubt it is to make up for lack of work. It makes me never want to go to them for anything even though they are also a highly recommended shop. Might be the wrong place for this rant but, I figured maybe someone like myself that is in need of an alignment might save some money. That said, I would never take my Vettes to just any alignment shop, I would pay the higher price before I let Tire Kingdom do more than look at it in the parking lot.
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Was 350 for both? What did it include? That's a retarded high price. I hope they are corner balancing, washing and waxing the car for that.

I would go to tire kingdom if the technician knew what he was doing. It's all in the person, not the place or machine.
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You will never notice .02* difference. I wasn't going for complete perfection.
Got it. Thanks! I appreciate all the help.
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Originally Posted by mrr23
then do this. meet in the middle. do -.050 camber on both sides front and rear. you'll barely notice any inside wear and get slightly better cornering.
I thought of that but didn't know if any of the other setting should change if the camber changes.
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I used the factory Z06 specs, then pushed the tolerances to the performance side.
As much caster as we could get and keep both sides equal.
As much neg camber then added 1/4 deg all four corners.
Toe F/R in the middle of the spec, thrust angle zero.
Result? Tracks straight, excellent steering feedback, neutral balance.
Factory bars, DRM Bilsteins and NT05's on Z06 wheels.
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Originally Posted by mrr23
This was from my car that you are referring to. Stock camber is -0.25. You'll notice the camber is slightly lower on the left when compared to the right. When someone sits in a vehicle, the camber goes higher on the left and lower on the right. Reason for higher caster on the right is to offset the road crown. If caster was equal, the car would drift right.toe being less on the right is because steering wheel was .01 to the right. So turning the wheel left .01 would make toe .03 on both sides.

Side note: I have c6 z06 wheels and tires on my car.

I see that you're listed as being in Orlando, FL. I'm up in Ocala. Any recommendations on places for alignment for my Vette? I'd even drive to Orlando if you're still doing alignments and the price is reasonable. (someone posted something about $350????) Mods suspension are: '99 FRC, C6Z shocks front and rear, C5Z springs front and rear, C6 Z51 sways with metal end links front and rear, front height springs screws removed, rear longer bolts. Any insight is greatly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by theoldmusicman
I thought of that but didn't know if any of the other setting should change if the camber changes.

All other numbers are fine.
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I see that you're listed as being in Orlando, FL. I'm up in Ocala. Any recommendations on places for alignment for my Vette? I'd even drive to Orlando if you're still doing alignments and the price is reasonable. (someone posted something about $350????) Mods suspension are: '99 FRC, C6Z shocks front and rear, C5Z springs front and rear, C6 Z51 sways with metal end links front and rear, front height springs screws removed, rear longer bolts. Any insight is greatly appreciated.
I don't know of any place in ocala. Our price is 79.95
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my 2000 is pretty unstable when braking. im wanting to dial in more fron toe in. any other ideas? maybe do something to the rear?

btw, im going to pull the abs fuse, to make it brake stronger.
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my 2000 is pretty unstable when braking. im wanting to dial in more fron toe in. any other ideas? maybe do something to the rear?

btw, im going to pull the abs fuse, to make it brake stronger.
So long as you don't mind possibly flat spotting the front tires.
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Originally Posted by mrr23
Was 350 for both? What did it include? That's a retarded high price. I hope they are corner balancing, washing and waxing the car for that.

I would go to tire kingdom if the technician knew what he was doing. It's all in the person, not the place or machine.
That was only for the 99 coupe and just for the alignment. I agree with you that it is all in the person not the place.

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Originally Posted by romandian
my 2000 is pretty unstable when braking. im wanting to dial in more fron toe in. any other ideas? maybe do something to the rear?

btw, im going to pull the abs fuse, to make it brake stronger.
I HIGHLY recommend NOT pulling the ABS fuse. I damn near rearended my brothers mustang one morning on the way to work when a light changed on us. I thought he punched it to make the light so I punched it. My ABS was out at the time due to relay in the EBCM, I hit the breaks and it just locked up and slid. Luckly he looked in his mirror and hit the gas or I would have been in his trunk. It wouldn't have been an issue if my ABS was working. Just a thought...
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That was only for the 99 coupe and just for the alignment. I agree with you that it is all in the person not the place.
Must be an extremely high cost of living in that area. I don't care how good they are 350 is an outright ripoff for only an alignment.
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Must be an extremely high cost of living in that area. I don't care how good they are 350 is an outright ripoff for only an alignment.
Sad that some shops will rip off the unsuspecting Vette owner.


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