Fixed my wheel hop issue
12-19-2014, 03:53 PM
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Fixed my wheel hop issue
EDIT: The Wheel Hop issue was not fixed after all. Please ignore this post..
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12-19-2014, 04:07 PM
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The teflon tape is so thin it does not make any noticeable difference in pressure. I put it on with the C6 Z51 bars and never had a problem.
12-19-2014, 07:57 PM
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what kind of tires do you have?... a lot of times that can be the cause... my old set of ccw's came with bfgoodrich kdw2's and those hopped so bad and were noisy as hell, no doubt the worst set of tires I've ever personally owned... besides tires I added pfadt motor mounts and the diff brace, my car doesn't hop at all anymore
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12-19-2014, 08:25 PM
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Thanks for the tip. Hope eventually you can eliminate even more of the wheel hop.
12-20-2014, 10:50 AM
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what kind of tires do you have?... a lot of times that can be the cause... my old set of ccw's came with bfgoodrich kdw2's and those hopped so bad and were noisy as hell, no doubt the worst set of tires I've ever personally owned... besides tires I added pfadt motor mounts and the diff brace, my car doesn't hop at all anymore
12-20-2014, 11:15 AM
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These also help:
http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.co...ategory_id=152
http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/c5-c6...dle-brace.html
A lot of times it is the drivetrain that is hopping under hard acceleration and the brace will eliminate this drivetrain issue!
Thanks,Matt
http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.co...ategory_id=152
http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/c5-c6...dle-brace.html
A lot of times it is the drivetrain that is hopping under hard acceleration and the brace will eliminate this drivetrain issue!
Thanks,Matt
12-22-2014, 09:46 AM
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Mine went away when I switched from the OEM run-flats to Nitto 555's. Never "hopped" again after that.
12-22-2014, 04:09 PM
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There are a lot of suggestions on what kind of lube to use on the bushings and all I can say is be careful and check the bushings after applying any lube. I am not going to put lube on since the factory does not with the rubber bushings. If you have Polyurethane they usually come with grease like mine did. That grease was the issue.
12-22-2014, 08:58 PM
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I've got hop in 1st and 2nd gear. I've never bothered finding out if it does it in other gears, since I don't want to beat on the car. The odd thing with my car is that it doesn't happen all the time. I think tire condition and road condition play a big part. It seems to happen more often on warmer roads and overall conditions. Cold tires on cold roads are less of an issue.
I'm going get my car up in the air for a look soon, just to see what's under there.
S.C.
I'm going get my car up in the air for a look soon, just to see what's under there.
S.C.
12-22-2014, 09:29 PM
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Your wheel hop has nothing to do with sway bar bushings.. wheel hop is caused by too much uneven coefficient of friction.. too much engine torque and the tires are grabbing unevenly. Hop is caused buy pull under load with different areas of the foot print responding differently.. usually hard spot within the foot print.
12-23-2014, 12:25 PM
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Your wheel hop has nothing to do with sway bar bushings.. wheel hop is caused by too much uneven coefficient of friction.. too much engine torque and the tires are grabbing unevenly. Hop is caused buy pull under load with different areas of the foot print responding differently.. usually hard spot within the foot print.
), etc.You give potential reasons, but no clue as to how to chase these reasons back to the root cause.
Sorry if I'm sounding bitchy, that's not my intent. I just always ask why.
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12-23-2014, 12:53 PM
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Nothing wrong with asking why, that's how engineers are born..
Consider the tires are what transfers power from the engine through the tires to push the car down the road.. when weight transfer is applied properly thought the rear suspension, and increase in down force is achieved to keep the tires on the road.
The down force applied can be sucked up buy a bad shock, ( think about those water barrels at the end of an off ramp to absorb the force of an impact. Sway bars are designed for stability... if the rubber in a tire gets what is know as " work hard " the revolution of the tire will Hop when the tires loses traction momentarily, wheel hop occurs during the most aggressive load, this is where the footprint is at its most demanding task. as it slip though the threshold of traction it wants to hop to the next grab point. IM trying to paint a picture that you can understand, Once the load demand diminishes the tire seems fine and acts normally.. .
Tires are generally made up od Carbon and rubber. the more carbon, the longer they last, carbon makes them black, rubber is what makes them sticky..
typically touring tires have 60 % carbon for longevity. and 40 % rubber, touring tires are not designed for performance other than long mileage performance.
Performance tires are 60 % rubber and 40 % carbon. the more rubber the stickier they are.. but they wear out faster because of the low carbon content.
Run flats are notoriously hard, because they run hotter than a conventional tire, this heat helps to cook the rubber and make it harder. the harder , the noisier.. if you can see how this all makes sense. Why everything is a trade off..
Bill aka ET
Consider the tires are what transfers power from the engine through the tires to push the car down the road.. when weight transfer is applied properly thought the rear suspension, and increase in down force is achieved to keep the tires on the road.
The down force applied can be sucked up buy a bad shock, ( think about those water barrels at the end of an off ramp to absorb the force of an impact. Sway bars are designed for stability... if the rubber in a tire gets what is know as " work hard " the revolution of the tire will Hop when the tires loses traction momentarily, wheel hop occurs during the most aggressive load, this is where the footprint is at its most demanding task. as it slip though the threshold of traction it wants to hop to the next grab point. IM trying to paint a picture that you can understand, Once the load demand diminishes the tire seems fine and acts normally.. .
Tires are generally made up od Carbon and rubber. the more carbon, the longer they last, carbon makes them black, rubber is what makes them sticky..
typically touring tires have 60 % carbon for longevity. and 40 % rubber, touring tires are not designed for performance other than long mileage performance.
Performance tires are 60 % rubber and 40 % carbon. the more rubber the stickier they are.. but they wear out faster because of the low carbon content.
Run flats are notoriously hard, because they run hotter than a conventional tire, this heat helps to cook the rubber and make it harder. the harder , the noisier.. if you can see how this all makes sense. Why everything is a trade off..
Bill aka ET
12-23-2014, 09:24 PM
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Nothing wrong with asking why, that's how engineers are born..
Consider the tires are what transfers power from the engine through the tires to push the car down the road.. when weight transfer is applied properly thought the rear suspension, and increase in down force is achieved to keep the tires on the road.
The down force applied can be sucked up buy a bad shock, ( think about those water barrels at the end of an off ramp to absorb the force of an impact. Sway bars are designed for stability... if the rubber in a tire gets what is know as " work hard " the revolution of the tire will Hop when the tires loses traction momentarily, wheel hop occurs during the most aggressive load, this is where the footprint is at its most demanding task. as it slip though the threshold of traction it wants to hop to the next grab point. IM trying to paint a picture that you can understand, Once the load demand diminishes the tire seems fine and acts normally.. .
Tires are generally made up od Carbon and rubber. the more carbon, the longer they last, carbon makes them black, rubber is what makes them sticky..
typically touring tires have 60 % carbon for longevity. and 40 % rubber, touring tires are not designed for performance other than long mileage performance.
Performance tires are 60 % rubber and 40 % carbon. the more rubber the stickier they are.. but they wear out faster because of the low carbon content.
Run flats are notoriously hard, because they run hotter than a conventional tire, this heat helps to cook the rubber and make it harder. the harder , the noisier.. if you can see how this all makes sense. Why everything is a trade off..
Bill aka ET
Consider the tires are what transfers power from the engine through the tires to push the car down the road.. when weight transfer is applied properly thought the rear suspension, and increase in down force is achieved to keep the tires on the road.
The down force applied can be sucked up buy a bad shock, ( think about those water barrels at the end of an off ramp to absorb the force of an impact. Sway bars are designed for stability... if the rubber in a tire gets what is know as " work hard " the revolution of the tire will Hop when the tires loses traction momentarily, wheel hop occurs during the most aggressive load, this is where the footprint is at its most demanding task. as it slip though the threshold of traction it wants to hop to the next grab point. IM trying to paint a picture that you can understand, Once the load demand diminishes the tire seems fine and acts normally.. .
Tires are generally made up od Carbon and rubber. the more carbon, the longer they last, carbon makes them black, rubber is what makes them sticky..
typically touring tires have 60 % carbon for longevity. and 40 % rubber, touring tires are not designed for performance other than long mileage performance.
Performance tires are 60 % rubber and 40 % carbon. the more rubber the stickier they are.. but they wear out faster because of the low carbon content.
Run flats are notoriously hard, because they run hotter than a conventional tire, this heat helps to cook the rubber and make it harder. the harder , the noisier.. if you can see how this all makes sense. Why everything is a trade off..
Bill aka ET
Last edited by craig04c5; 12-23-2014 at 09:30 PM.
12-24-2014, 08:23 PM
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Nothing wrong with asking why, that's how engineers are born..
Consider the tires are what transfers power from the engine through the tires to push the car down the road.. when weight transfer is applied properly thought the rear suspension, and increase in down force is achieved to keep the tires on the road.
The down force applied can be sucked up buy a bad shock, ( think about those water barrels at the end of an off ramp to absorb the force of an impact. Sway bars are designed for stability... if the rubber in a tire gets what is know as " work hard " the revolution of the tire will Hop when the tires loses traction momentarily, wheel hop occurs during the most aggressive load, this is where the footprint is at its most demanding task. as it slip though the threshold of traction it wants to hop to the next grab point. IM trying to paint a picture that you can understand, Once the load demand diminishes the tire seems fine and acts normally.. .
Tires are generally made up od Carbon and rubber. the more carbon, the longer they last, carbon makes them black, rubber is what makes them sticky..
typically touring tires have 60 % carbon for longevity. and 40 % rubber, touring tires are not designed for performance other than long mileage performance.
Performance tires are 60 % rubber and 40 % carbon. the more rubber the stickier they are.. but they wear out faster because of the low carbon content.
Run flats are notoriously hard, because they run hotter than a conventional tire, this heat helps to cook the rubber and make it harder. the harder , the noisier.. if you can see how this all makes sense. Why everything is a trade off..
Bill aka ET
Consider the tires are what transfers power from the engine through the tires to push the car down the road.. when weight transfer is applied properly thought the rear suspension, and increase in down force is achieved to keep the tires on the road.
The down force applied can be sucked up buy a bad shock, ( think about those water barrels at the end of an off ramp to absorb the force of an impact. Sway bars are designed for stability... if the rubber in a tire gets what is know as " work hard " the revolution of the tire will Hop when the tires loses traction momentarily, wheel hop occurs during the most aggressive load, this is where the footprint is at its most demanding task. as it slip though the threshold of traction it wants to hop to the next grab point. IM trying to paint a picture that you can understand, Once the load demand diminishes the tire seems fine and acts normally.. .
Tires are generally made up od Carbon and rubber. the more carbon, the longer they last, carbon makes them black, rubber is what makes them sticky..
typically touring tires have 60 % carbon for longevity. and 40 % rubber, touring tires are not designed for performance other than long mileage performance.
Performance tires are 60 % rubber and 40 % carbon. the more rubber the stickier they are.. but they wear out faster because of the low carbon content.
Run flats are notoriously hard, because they run hotter than a conventional tire, this heat helps to cook the rubber and make it harder. the harder , the noisier.. if you can see how this all makes sense. Why everything is a trade off..
Bill aka ET