Earl Schieb, Macco Anyone, Anyone??
02-22-2017, 01:22 PM
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Just wondering if anyone in here has gotten their car painted by the 2 national paint chains? Excuse my ignorance but if there no damage and we decide to keep our car the same color, shouldn't a paint job not cost an arm and a leg..
I noticed my 18 yr olds door handles are pretty beat up so and so are my rockers from the seat belt so I started walking around the car nd I wish I would have never done it.
I've recently had cars painted for my boss but the cars were classics down to bare metal and they were about 6K but I'm thinking I just want my black car repainted.
Come on guru's let me have it. Explain why a paint job can't be around 1K I don't need the moldings and everything removed.
I noticed my 18 yr olds door handles are pretty beat up so and so are my rockers from the seat belt so I started walking around the car nd I wish I would have never done it.
I've recently had cars painted for my boss but the cars were classics down to bare metal and they were about 6K but I'm thinking I just want my black car repainted.
Come on guru's let me have it. Explain why a paint job can't be around 1K I don't need the moldings and everything removed.
02-22-2017, 03:28 PM
#62
What do you do (or did if you retired) for a living? People are allowed to charge what their trade will bare. I'm in a trade and hear all the time that we charge too much!
There is a reason people can charge what they do. You get what you pay for!!! and reputable people warranty their work. The prices are always cheapest when someone is going out of business or will walk away from unhappy customers as they know another sucker will fall for the cheapest price and rip someone else off.
sorry I'm a little sensitive to this subject
There is a reason people can charge what they do. You get what you pay for!!! and reputable people warranty their work. The prices are always cheapest when someone is going out of business or will walk away from unhappy customers as they know another sucker will fall for the cheapest price and rip someone else off.
sorry I'm a little sensitive to this subject
I'm a civil servant. I understand body/paint shops charge what the market will bare, I just think they go a little overboard with their prices sometimes...I mean, $10K for a paint job, that's nuts!
02-22-2017, 05:44 PM
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Body work and paint work ?
Just an FYI, the clear coat is found an every level of the paint job. the amount of color added to the clear is what gives the color. It's present in the tint coat, and also in the base coat. No one wants to do that because they perpetuate the myth that it cant be done. , prepping the clear is exactly what they do at a good shop to remove the orange peel between the final coats of paint. a paint job is like a histogram with peeks and valleys sanding the peaks to remove the valleys ( the valleys give the orange peel look. ) removing those peaks will leave several thousands of very flat paint ( no orange peel ). A show car finish is one where they sand each coat of paint to remove the peaks,, in order to build up the paint thickness..
I good paint shop will limit the amount of sanding between coats to match the factory orange peel. but to do a whole car and do it right and sand between coats is costly, but the results are very dramatic.
So the theory about sanding the clear and applying more clear is what they do anyway.. but they just want to sell a whole job.. that's why they say its impossible.. there is no delamination since each coat is emulsified into the previous layer.. the whole finish becomes one body.
If you have a fender refinished, they ruff up the existing fender, do the body work. seal and prime, all those steps, when they feather to surrounding panels, all they do is scuff up the clear coat and shoot it, no sealer no primer. They will blend the color coat to surrounding panels and clear.. there is no reason why they just cant ruff up an existing panel and shoot it with clear as if they were blending. They do it every day.
I good paint shop will limit the amount of sanding between coats to match the factory orange peel. but to do a whole car and do it right and sand between coats is costly, but the results are very dramatic.
So the theory about sanding the clear and applying more clear is what they do anyway.. but they just want to sell a whole job.. that's why they say its impossible.. there is no delamination since each coat is emulsified into the previous layer.. the whole finish becomes one body.
If you have a fender refinished, they ruff up the existing fender, do the body work. seal and prime, all those steps, when they feather to surrounding panels, all they do is scuff up the clear coat and shoot it, no sealer no primer. They will blend the color coat to surrounding panels and clear.. there is no reason why they just cant ruff up an existing panel and shoot it with clear as if they were blending. They do it every day.
But if you are going to own one of the absolute best engineered automobiles built today and $500 to $1000 bucks is a problem, leave it alone till you can give it what you can afford ( and shop around) but be fair with the body shop as to what your going to expect the final finish to both look like and last. It's a cut-throat business, but honesty will pay big dividends in both your wallet and your pride in what I consider the only reasonable best build sports car in America. But for what it's worth. . .
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02-22-2017, 06:14 PM
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Just wondering if anyone in here has gotten their car painted by the 2 national paint chains? Excuse my ignorance but if there no damage and we decide to keep our car the same color, shouldn't a paint job not cost an arm and a leg..
I noticed my 18 yr olds door handles are pretty beat up so and so are my rockers from the seat belt so I started walking around the car nd I wish I would have never done it.
I've recently had cars painted for my boss but the cars were classics down to bare metal and they were about 6K but I'm thinking I just want my black car repainted.
Come on guru's let me have it. Explain why a paint job can't be around 1K I don't need the moldings and everything removed.
I noticed my 18 yr olds door handles are pretty beat up so and so are my rockers from the seat belt so I started walking around the car nd I wish I would have never done it.
I've recently had cars painted for my boss but the cars were classics down to bare metal and they were about 6K but I'm thinking I just want my black car repainted.
Come on guru's let me have it. Explain why a paint job can't be around 1K I don't need the moldings and everything removed.
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02-22-2017, 06:38 PM
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Earl Scheib was a company which specialized in repainting and collision repair of automobiles, with locations in 23 states in the US. It ceased operations nationwide on July 16, 2010. It was started in 1937 so it must have had a lot of satisfied customers to last that long.
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02-22-2017, 06:44 PM
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If I had a Chumpcar or street beater I wanted to paint cheaply I'd use a roller. There are dozens of YT videos on how to do it and the results aren't bad for an investment of $50.
02-22-2017, 06:49 PM
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Earl Scheib was a company which specialized in repainting and collision repair of automobiles, with locations in 23 states in the US. It ceased operations nationwide on July 16, 2010. It was started in 1937 so it must have had a lot of satisfied customers to last that long.
02-22-2017, 06:59 PM
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We didn't have them around here. Back in the 70s, me and my buddy did the body work and painted our cars and trucks. He was better at the painting. He could lay it on with absolutely no orange peel. Now it's all about paying others to do the work.
02-22-2017, 08:19 PM
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Yeah, blaming regulatory requirements is certainly in vogue now, but no. Even if keeping toxic VOCs in check resulted in a $100K adder to the cost of a spray booth (just a guess), that cost get amortized over every car they paint. What does not get shared is the labor to prepare a car for painting. Skilled bodymen get paid well and proper prep work requires many hours of labor and that cost is all on that one vehicle. Considering that the cost of skilled labor is in a continual upward spiral, it is no surprise to see premium paint work costing many thousands of dollars.
Earl Schibe or Macco? No way, not on anything that runs.
Earl Schibe or Macco? No way, not on anything that runs.
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02-22-2017, 09:47 PM
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My issue isn't with the skill and labor cost. It is the overhead.
Paint booth regulations are overwhelmingly expensive these days. Along with insurance and safety concerns. Any business that sprays chemicals into the air has to deal with regulatory issues. The cost is also reflect in the production of the materials used as the chemical companies are regulated as well.
There should be some regulation but I think it is way overdone, to the point that it has damaged the industry.
Paint booth regulations are overwhelmingly expensive these days. Along with insurance and safety concerns. Any business that sprays chemicals into the air has to deal with regulatory issues. The cost is also reflect in the production of the materials used as the chemical companies are regulated as well.
There should be some regulation but I think it is way overdone, to the point that it has damaged the industry.
02-22-2017, 10:00 PM
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My issue isn't with the skill and labor cost. It is the overhead.
Paint booth regulations are overwhelmingly expensive these days. Along with insurance and safety concerns. Any business that sprays chemicals into the air has to deal with regulatory issues. The cost is also reflect in the production of the materials used as the chemical companies are regulated as well.
There should be some regulation but I think it is way overdone, to the point that it has damaged the industry.
Paint booth regulations are overwhelmingly expensive these days. Along with insurance and safety concerns. Any business that sprays chemicals into the air has to deal with regulatory issues. The cost is also reflect in the production of the materials used as the chemical companies are regulated as well.
There should be some regulation but I think it is way overdone, to the point that it has damaged the industry.
02-22-2017, 10:41 PM
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I agree with safety. I disagree with the present way it is managed, as a governmental revenue stream pushing industry out of the market place.
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02-22-2017, 10:54 PM
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Like I said, the industry is doing just fine and pollution has been reduced. It really is a good thing. The industry can not police itself.