98 tune with hp Tuners
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98 tune with hp Tuners
I have the hp Tuners pro with VCM suite, my problem is I have no idea what I am doing. I have read page after page. I feel I have a decent tune as of now and I have my afr's in a safe level. Car has ls6 intake, vara ram cold air and b&b long tubes. I have a aem afr gauge. Looking for another tune that I can compare to mine. I changed fan temps, turned of cags, and made some small fuel adjustments but I think I am getting false knock and timing is being pulled out i would guess as I seem to loose power gains after 4500 rpm. Any help would be appreciated.
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15
Look at your commanded timing or asked for timing in your tune in the high oct table and compare that to your actual timing in your data log
Your data logger will show if timing is being removed via the KR system--BUT if after subtracting the KR from the commanded you still have some timing being mysteriously removed--then look at the following
Look at your IAT temps in your data log--let's say the IAT temp is 125* then look in your tune under the IAT temp deduct table for approx. 125*---( look at the cylinder air equal to WOT which should be about .60 grams) see if your tune is removing timing from there
Do the same for your coolant temp---Look at the actual temp from your data log and look at your ECT deduct table to see if any timing is being removed from high coolant temps
My guess is that unless you massaged your IAT table in your tune your ECM may remove about 5* of timing from high IAT's and maybe another 1-2* from high ECT's
This is a common issue with tuning and most always the IAT temps are FALSE and the ECT deducts are simply too much--All this can be corrected with a proper tune---
If you can figure out what I am talking about and this is your case--email me and I will show you how to correct it--
Your data logger will show if timing is being removed via the KR system--BUT if after subtracting the KR from the commanded you still have some timing being mysteriously removed--then look at the following
Look at your IAT temps in your data log--let's say the IAT temp is 125* then look in your tune under the IAT temp deduct table for approx. 125*---( look at the cylinder air equal to WOT which should be about .60 grams) see if your tune is removing timing from there
Do the same for your coolant temp---Look at the actual temp from your data log and look at your ECT deduct table to see if any timing is being removed from high coolant temps
My guess is that unless you massaged your IAT table in your tune your ECM may remove about 5* of timing from high IAT's and maybe another 1-2* from high ECT's
This is a common issue with tuning and most always the IAT temps are FALSE and the ECT deducts are simply too much--All this can be corrected with a proper tune---
If you can figure out what I am talking about and this is your case--email me and I will show you how to correct it--
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I have the hp Tuners pro with VCM suite, my problem is I have no idea what I am doing. I have read page after page. I feel I have a decent tune as of now and I have my afr's in a safe level. Car has ls6 intake, vara ram cold air and b&b long tubes. I have a aem afr gauge. Looking for another tune that I can compare to mine. I changed fan temps, turned of cags, and made some small fuel adjustments but I think I am getting false knock and timing is being pulled out i would guess as I seem to loose power gains after 4500 rpm. Any help would be appreciated.
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Tune looks a bit rich (-6 to -15 negative short term trims) from about 3600 rpm and down. Upwards still a but rich and can't tell when you go wide open because that transitions to open loop (trims opearate in closed loop only to maintain stoich AFR) where the trims go to zero. Need a wideband to tune those area's.....didnt see it added to your Table display. Let me know if you need a hand doing that or maybe some training on the softwware in general.
Timing seems a bit high as well and there are a few cases of knock (1 in attached).
I would add the MAF Hz PID to you .cfg as well as Dynamic Airflow and of course a wideband.
Ed M
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