luckyirishguy

Why Is A Stock C5 Faster Than A Stock T/a]ws6

jparr

Well im going out on a limb here , but I think the ws6 is heavier and they have a diffenert heads and cam package .. I know a guy who had a lt1 trans am and i had the vette he said my cam and heads where different ... again not 100% possitive .. jay

luckyirishguy

Im Talkin Ls1 Vette And Ls1 T/a

z06brah

I was under the impression that it was more common for a t/a to be faster than the vette in the 1/4 mile because of the independent rear suspension or something (bad for launching?). I could be wrong, but I thought that's what I read. If you put them both on a road course, i would guess that the t/a would stand no chance at all.

CL

They have a smaller cam profile and GM did not want to have the flagship car out done.

AU N EGL

500+ lbs Less may have something to do with it too

OhioC5

Blow Torch

+ 1

What is it they say..somting like 100lbs = 10hp or somthing like that.
And although the IRS might bleed off a little hp to the wheels, unless you're putting out some serious hp, I just don't see what guys are talking about it being bad for launching. Mine certainly doesn't have a problem launching

Higgs Boson

faster and quicker are two different things.

they turn a very similar time in the 1/4 mile with 95% of drivers out there because it is much easier to launch a live axle car (trans am). a hard sticky launch is not the strong point of the vette. turning is. this makes the f-body very similar in completing the 1/4 mile quickly.

the vette is faster because it is 500 lbs lighter and more aerodynamic. while the trans am might go the 1/4 mile in 13.0 at 106 mph (example) the vette will go 13.0 at 110 (example).

Corvette Don

Also the TA is about 600 lbs heaiver, my vette weighs in at 3110 w/ 1/4 tank of gas, I have seen some TA's on the same scale at ~3675

Mike Mercury

two things:

*weight
*aerodynamics

and these are two of the three most important factors when comparing stock cars; but are the most overlooked because the thought process needed is WAY BEYOND what teenage ******* can comprehend. They base performance solely on a dyno sheet - then just to be disappointed at the 1/4 track... making excuses as they shake their heads in disbelief.

I see it weekly at my local track.

AU N EGL

and read it on LS1tech all the time.

99 vett babycar

nj02vette

Where do people get this non-sense from?

Curb weight of a TA ~3550lbs (TA's were the heaviest)
Curb weight of a C5 ~3200lbs

No F-bodies's weigh in at over 3700+lbs, unless you put a 300lb driver in them.

Now..........if you say GTO, than that's a different story.

AU N EGL

how many TA have you weighed?

I have weighed five, not one use under 3650 the other four were 37xx lbs PLus driver. put them close to 3900 lbs

Vette and driver 3400 to 3450 lbs that is 500 in my book.

99C5JA1

The weight differences are largely due to options on both cars as well. My C5 coupe with almost a full tank weighed in at 3170. A 4th Gen F-body will be in the 3500-3700 range depending on options. With a few factory strippers in the 3400 range (I think one of the Formula's in my club was a 3400lb car).

At the track with just a Blackwing and catback (which does nada on a C5) vs. the lid and catback F-bodies I was running .3-.5 quicker. I was hitting 13.1-13.2@110-111 to their 13.4-13.6@107-109. You can post times of F-body's and C5's doing xx.xx@xxxmph from other sites, but this is the same track, same prep, same day which is as close as you're going to get for a fair comparison.

SDPC

The weight difference is 350 pounds 95% of the time between the a vette and the average f-body on the same scale.

They do not have different heads and/or cam.

The vette puts less power to the ground than an f-body due to the IRS eating up more power than a 10-bolt

In the 1/4 mile performance is nearly identical and you can not say the vette is always faster or the f-body is faster, period. Definitely not always .5 faster

A WS6 is heavier than any other f-body

No stock f-bodies, not even the WS6, weigh over 3700 pounds without a load in them.

Most scales are not accurate for realistic weight, they are just used for comparing a truck before they empty a load and after they empty it for the purpose of knowing what the load weighed, not what a vehicle actually weighs.

nj02vette

Yes, my own. And on the same scale my vette was 324lbs lighter. How many one's have you measured that were "stock" and didn't have heavy "upgrades"? I take it if your weighing cars its at the track, which few there are truely stock.


Except I think you'll find that most of the time the vette still traps quicker. Even though I get a better launch in the TA, I've always gotten better numbers in the vette. Even when both cars were "stock".
Past the 1/4, it's the vette all the way.

99C5JA1

For clarification. The weight readings I was using were taken at the drag strip with their scale. Both my '99 C5 and another '99 C5 were both running in the 13.1-13.2 range the day I was using for comparison. There were 8-10 LS1 F-bodies present from our club running a lid/filter + catback and both C5's were M6's running just a Blackwing. The F-bodies were .3-.4 slower on the majority of the runs.

casslaw

I can't believe I am replying to this, but... I had a '99 Camaro with only a lid and catback, It ran 12.0's all day, and it was a 6 speed. I beat many stock Vettes in that car, and when you are talking about a couple of tenths, a driver can make that up in a number of ways. Either car spinning a car length off the line makes the difference. Internet racing is just that, and I am sure that most of us have had experiences with F-bodies, mustangs, and even turbo'd benz's that would surprise you. The reason the Vette is faster stock is because it is a VETTE and Chevrolet wouldn't have it otherwise, but the second you get out of the stock realm, things change dramatically.