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Old 02-02-2011, 11:40 AM
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So I went to hook up Hp tuners to my car this morning and there was no power to my OBDII port, I did have power last night though. I check the manual and did not see a fuse for it. Is there something Im missing or what?
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So I went to hook up Hp tuners to my car this morning and there was no power to my OBDII port, I did have power last night though. I check the manual and did not see a fuse for it. Is there something Im missing or what?
There is a fuse for the OBDII port.

If no one comes up with the answer before I get home, I will look it up and provide it to you this evening.

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Cigarette lighter fuse is where GM hides the power source for the OBDII
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Both my Cigarette lighter and auxiliary power in the center console have power, I guess I should have mentioned that before hand. Ill go check and see if there are any codes right now.
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Well the only two codes that are pertinent to this are 80 Radio U1064H and U1016H. Dont know why I didnt think of looking for that this morning, but anyways does the loss of communication have anything to do with the door control module? I know I have heard a lot of people having trouble with that. It is 70* outside today and has been in the low 30's so there is a lot of condensation, not sure if that has anything to do with that.
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Well the only two codes that are pertinent to this are 80 Radio U1064H and U1016H. Dont know why I didnt think of looking for that this morning, but anyways does the loss of communication have anything to do with the door control module? I know I have heard a lot of people having trouble with that. It is 70* outside today and has been in the low 30's so there is a lot of condensation, not sure if that has anything to do with that.
If you have CONDENSATION inside the car, and on the inside the windows,,THATS BAD!

It means that you have a leak and the area under the carpets are soaked. The longer the interior has moisture in it, the worse the electrical system well deteriorate. Ask me how I know?

I had a clogged HVAC drain that continued to leak for several months. The BCM starting having some very strange issues .. So, I pulled out the BCM and opened it up. The back of the circuit board had lots of white deposits and corrosion and some of the circuit traces were starting to deterorate.

SO,,, Move the drivers and passengers seat fully forward and on the rear wall behind the seats, you will see that you can lift it up the carpet flap. Lift it and slide your hand under the floor carpet and the padding (jute underlayment) and see if either side is wet or damp in the area under the seat.

Let me know what you find.

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If you have CONDENSATION inside the car, and on the inside the windows,,THATS BAD!

It means that you have a leak and the area under the carpets are soaked. The longer the interior has moisture in it, the worse the electrical system well deteriorate. Ask me how I know?

I had a clogged HVAC drain that continued to leak for several months. The BCM starting having some very strange issues .. So, I pulled out the BCM and opened it up. The back of the circuit board had lots of white deposits and corrosion and some of the circuit traces were starting to deterorate.

SO,,, Move the drivers and passengers seat fully forward and on the rear wall behind the seats, you will see that you can lift it up the carpet flap. Lift it and slide your hand under the floor carpet and the padding (jute underlayment) and see if either side is wet or damp in the area under the seat.

Let me know what you find.

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Its parked in the garage and does not have any leaks. I opened up all the windows and doors to the garage and did have the door open on the car which is why there was a little condensation in the car, it was mainly on the outside though. I did clear the codes and they have not come back yet. However, I have not checked to see if I have power yet.
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Originally Posted by m6 c5
Both my Cigarette lighter and auxiliary power in the center console have power, I guess I should have mentioned that before hand. Ill go check and see if there are any codes right now.
The correct fuse is:

Instrument Panel Fuse Panel. Fuse #29, C/LALDL 10 AMP
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Not trying to be a smart a** but I'm going to state the obvious - the ignition switch must be on to communicate with the PCM.
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Not trying to be a smart a** but I'm going to state the obvious - the ignition switch must be on to communicate with the PCM.
Yes I know I had the car running at one point, the codes have not popped back up but I still dont have power to the OBDII port. I will check that fuse tomorrow although my cigarette lighter still works.
This just seems really odd that I have no power to it and none of the codes have popped up. Could this be a ground problem?
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Yes I know I had the car running at one point, the codes have not popped back up but I still dont have power to the OBDII port. I will check that fuse tomorrow although my cigarette lighter still works.
This just seems really odd that I have no power to it and none of the codes have popped up. Could this be a ground problem?


The correct fuse is:

Instrument Panel Fuse Panel. Fuse #29, C/LALDL 10 AMP
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
The correct fuse is:

Instrument Panel Fuse Panel. Fuse #29, C/LALDL 10 AMP
It was that fuse, I had just been told that it used the cigarette lighter fuse by several different people and was thinking that may have been the same fuse. Anyways do you think it could have blown because of the loss of communication which I am assuming was cause by all the moisture in the air.
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always, ALWAYS, pay attention to Curlee.
Yes I know, I just had not had time to check due to other things going on. I guess I was just thinking the worst with the loss of communication.
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It was that fuse, I had just been told that it used the cigarette lighter fuse by several different people and was thinking that may have been the same fuse. Anyways do you think it could have blown because of the loss of communication which I am assuming was cause by all the moisture in the air.
The only thing that fuse powers is the OBDII connector on that one pin and the Courtesy Lamps thru relay #42 CTSL.\LP.
There really shouldn't be any reason for it to blow as far as the data link is concerned. Its power for you scanner or other OBDII devices. The LOSS of COMMS has nothing to do with that issue or vise versa

You may have a courtesy lamp issue some where.

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The only thing that fuse powers is the OBDII connector on that one pin and the Courtesy Lamps thru relay #42 CTSL.\LP.
There really shouldn't be any reason for it to blow as far as the data link is concerned. Its power for you scanner or other OBDII devices. The LOSS of COMMS has nothing to do with that issue or vise versa

You may have a courtesy lamp issue some where.

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Yea I didnt think that they were related but I am going to hope it is because of the extreme moisture we had. There were literally gallons of water on the garage floor and had to use the squeegee several times while taking the calipers off my dads car.
Either way I dont have much time left to track down the problem so I will leave it for my dad to deal with until I get back in June.

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