LS6 vs. LS1 Mixup
04-04-2012, 09:39 AM
#21
Drifting
DISTRIBUTOR SEALS!?!?!?!?
Wow you got taken. Someone on the GTO board took their car to the stealership too, and they told him his intake manifold was broken and leaking coolant!!!
Wow you got taken. Someone on the GTO board took their car to the stealership too, and they told him his intake manifold was broken and leaking coolant!!!
04-04-2012, 12:01 PM
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Since you can buy a ZO6 crate engine from GM (for lots less) why did they go to an after market rebuilder? Unless you agreed before hand to accept a replacement part numbered engine(LS1),the dealer has NO choice but to install the proper engine.Even if they were shipped the wrong engine,it is up to them to make sure it is right BEFORE they installed it.The rebuilder should have your engine for a core,least of all they should be able to have that builder do your original engine.
04-04-2012, 12:52 PM
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Since you can buy a ZO6 crate engine from GM (for lots less) why did they go to an after market rebuilder? Unless you agreed before hand to accept a replacement part numbered engine(LS1),the dealer has NO choice but to install the proper engine.Even if they were shipped the wrong engine,it is up to them to make sure it is right BEFORE they installed it.The rebuilder should have your engine for a core,least of all they should be able to have that builder do your original engine.
04-04-2012, 01:37 PM
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12k is what i spent on my 540whp 402 stroker. I say have them romove the wrong motor. Take your 12k to a reputable shop and get a nasty motor build and installed. At least a cammed ls3.
04-04-2012, 07:37 PM
#28
Race Director
I paid alot less for an brand new LS3 installed with H/C by a reputable tuner shop
04-04-2012, 08:51 PM
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Le Mans Master
Dang this is a nightmare thread, for $12K I'd have a LS3 pushing 630+ hp. Of course I would do the install myself. BUT dayummmm, I'd be all over that dealership stirring up trouble for them. They'd regret EVER screwing me over.
04-04-2012, 10:37 PM
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Thank you for the helpful comments. I feel more confident dealing with this situation now.
04-04-2012, 11:40 PM
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Melting Slicks
I am so embarrassed, please forgive me. It is differential, not distributor. I have never done any major work to a car before, so this is all new to me. If anything, hopefully my mistake brought humor to your day.
Thank you for the helpful comments. I feel more confident dealing with this situation now.
Thank you for the helpful comments. I feel more confident dealing with this situation now.
04-05-2012, 01:21 PM
#32
Safety Car
Listen to Bill. Be calm, explicit and reasonable and you have a better chance of getting satisfaction. This problem is above the pay grade of the service manager, but I'd start there and set a reasonable expectation for a response, in writing. If you are dissatisfied with the response, contact an attorney.
04-05-2012, 07:09 PM
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Just a curious question not trying to crap in your easter basket but with all the great vendors here and great info why wouldn't you ask or inquire prior to getting it done? Surely you could build a kick *** motor for that price.
04-06-2012, 06:50 AM
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Did you see the motor come in personally from the rebuild company? If not, I'd bet you it's not the dealership itself that's trying to pull one over, but a tech that tried to pull a fast one.
Im sure they figured that someone that payed 12K for a stock rebuild wouldn't look close enough at the engine to know squat, so they probably yanked the motor from their camaro and tried to give it to you, so they could keep the new Z06.
I'm not saying all mechanics are corrupt, but I believe its more likely a corrupt single tech than a conspiracy from the dealer.
I know many techs that, back in the gravy Ford days, would have a car come in for warranty work. A new mustang would need something simple - they would warranty out a transmission, but not really replace it - Ford would never come get the old parts - bam - now tech has a brand new transmission. SVT was a bit picky about the Cobras, so it didn't work on them, but the regular cars - man, Ford was a gold mine for a tech that could game the system. He even got paid labor hours for the transmission he kept and didn't replace!
Im sure they figured that someone that payed 12K for a stock rebuild wouldn't look close enough at the engine to know squat, so they probably yanked the motor from their camaro and tried to give it to you, so they could keep the new Z06.
I'm not saying all mechanics are corrupt, but I believe its more likely a corrupt single tech than a conspiracy from the dealer.
I know many techs that, back in the gravy Ford days, would have a car come in for warranty work. A new mustang would need something simple - they would warranty out a transmission, but not really replace it - Ford would never come get the old parts - bam - now tech has a brand new transmission. SVT was a bit picky about the Cobras, so it didn't work on them, but the regular cars - man, Ford was a gold mine for a tech that could game the system. He even got paid labor hours for the transmission he kept and didn't replace!
04-06-2012, 07:58 AM
#35
Drifting
OH BOY!! 
That service manager and the General Manager are SWEATING BULLETS hoping this will go away QUIELY!
You can bet a PAY CHECK on that! There going to try to convince you that EVERYTHING IS JUST FINE!
Start with GM Customer Service Assistance and file a complaint. Talk to the service manager and tell him you want the ZO6 LS6 engine that is standard to the ZO6 installed in the car. Be nice , to the point, factual and don’t be an ***. Take names, dates, problems discussed answers given and all the stuff to build your case. KEEP ALL PAPERWORK!
BUILD A CASE like it a murder trial!
If you paid with a credit card, file a complaint with the credit card company and use that as a last resort to deny payment due to the dealership inability to complete the repair correctly.
I would NOT sleep until this is FIXED correctly and to your favor!! They would NOT want me in that corner. I would be a wolverine ready to attack if they tried to bamboozle me!! :-o
Your car was BUILT with a ZO6 engine,, went in for service with a ZO6 engine and it should drive out of the Stealership with a ZO6 ENGINE!
YES,, a ZO6 engine is different enough that I would raise a royal SH!& Fit if they denied service to fix the issue!!
Bill
That service manager and the General Manager are SWEATING BULLETS hoping this will go away QUIELY! You can bet a PAY CHECK on that! There going to try to convince you that EVERYTHING IS JUST FINE!
Start with GM Customer Service Assistance and file a complaint. Talk to the service manager and tell him you want the ZO6 LS6 engine that is standard to the ZO6 installed in the car. Be nice , to the point, factual and don’t be an ***. Take names, dates, problems discussed answers given and all the stuff to build your case. KEEP ALL PAPERWORK!
BUILD A CASE like it a murder trial!
If you paid with a credit card, file a complaint with the credit card company and use that as a last resort to deny payment due to the dealership inability to complete the repair correctly.
I would NOT sleep until this is FIXED correctly and to your favor!! They would NOT want me in that corner. I would be a wolverine ready to attack if they tried to bamboozle me!! :-o
Your car was BUILT with a ZO6 engine,, went in for service with a ZO6 engine and it should drive out of the Stealership with a ZO6 ENGINE!
YES,, a ZO6 engine is different enough that I would raise a royal SH!& Fit if they denied service to fix the issue!!
Bill
04-06-2012, 08:32 AM
#38
Take it to another GM certified mechanic and inspect all of the work they said they did to see if in fact they did. If they did pay for what they said they did minus the motor work. Tell them you want your old LS6 block back and they can have their alleged rebuilt ls1 back. Of course they will not be able to provide you with your old LS6 block back, so deny that portion of the payment and either be happy with what you got, or take the money you saved and get an actual LS6 block built up by a reputable forum vendor. Based on the differences with the blocks, they do not have a leg to stand on in court and would spend several thousand dollars defending a suit so most likely they will just write off that portion.
04-06-2012, 09:15 AM
#39
Le Mans Master
Also, Im willing to bet that when its time to trade/sell that Z, the next guy will want a 100% ZO6. I would. Would you buy a ZO6 that didnt have that LS6 engine,but instead had an LS1? I DOUBT IT. And that trade in ....inspecting that engine block will reveal that LS1, which will mean a much,much lower trade in, not to mention,salespeople looking at you like youre trying to con them.
04-06-2012, 04:25 PM
#40
Instructor
As a retired "stealership" Service Manager several things in this story do not add up. From the prices quoted just for an engine, to the incorrect part installed, to the lack of accountability of the dealer doing the work. Jobs would be lost and franchise agreements would be reviewed very seriously. GM doesn't screw around, especially these days.
As for techs stealing parts, as someone else has posted, I can tell you that's BS.
All the managers, dealer principle, parts staff, techs, car wash dudes, porters, shuttle bus drivers would have to be in on it.
Risk your 6 figure job and a multi million dollar franchis for stealing parts, come on.
As for techs stealing parts, as someone else has posted, I can tell you that's BS.
All the managers, dealer principle, parts staff, techs, car wash dudes, porters, shuttle bus drivers would have to be in on it.
Risk your 6 figure job and a multi million dollar franchis for stealing parts, come on.