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Old 07-18-2014, 04:28 PM
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Turning key nothing nada. Battery shows about 13 amps. We noticed the security notification light gas been on. A few times she did not want to start then would start. Not torning over at all. Is the starter shot? Quick response appreciated as I am sitting on side of road
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Does it sound like the starter is engaging? Could also be ignition switch.
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Does it sound like the starter is engaging? Could also be ignition switch.
We replaced the battery - which was needed.., it was the original.. with 89,000 miles
Started fine... then my husband tried to start the car and again no start.
he put it into neutral and it started.

is the ignition switch replacement an easy fix?
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
If the security light is on with the key in the ON position, the pellet on the key is NOT being read correctly. Could be oxidation on the pellet or on the fine wire inside the key cylinder that reads the key or could be damage to the fine wire in the key cylinder.

If you have a backup key you can try that. Or purchase an aerolsol container of electrical contact cleaner Parts store or Radio Shack for certain. Spray some in the key cylinder then insert and remove the key 15 or 20 times wiping the key on a soft lint free cloth. Repeat if needed.

If that doesn't do it you are looking at a new key cylinder or a bypass of the VAT's system.

You can also jumper the TDR relay in the passenger foot well above the BCM.
What is the VAT, TDR And BCM? Key cylinder? do you mean take the key apart as if I were replacing the battery?
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Originally Posted by corvette77
Does it sound like the starter is engaging? Could also be ignition switch.
complete silence.
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
What happens to the security light on the dash when you put the key in the ignition and turn to the start position? Does the security light stay illuminated solid??? Does it blink??? Does it go out??

Here is a procedure for pulling the codes on the car. Read and or watch the video carefully to see how to do this.

http://www.c5forum.com/ayc/dtcdic.php


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Then pull your codes and write them down including the H or C or HC that follow the 5 character code and then post them in this thread. Someone will help you understand the codes.

Is the car a manual or automatic trans car?? May make a difference.

If you or your husband are not a little mechanically inclined you MAY be better off taking the car to a Corvette specialist (NOT the Stealership). While we can help you identify what is happening, someone on your end MAY need some mechanical aptitude to correct the issue(s).

BCM is Body Control Module or one of the major computers in your car.

TDR is Theft Deterrent Relay or the relay that gets enabled to engage the starter if the correct key is used to try and start the car.

VATS is the Vehicle Anti Theft System. The BCM reads the resistance value of the pellet on the key and compares what it reads to a stored value. If they match then the TDR relay is allowed to provide power to the starter. If no match then the starter is denied power. The "system" of doing this is referred to as VATS.

Key Cylinder is the slot on the dash that you insert the key into. Inside that slot (cylinder) there is a tiny wire that passes across the pellet on the key to read the resistance value of the pellet. Behind the key cylinder and engaged when the key is turned is a complex set of contacts that distribute power to various devices in the car. That set of contacts is referred to as the ignition switch. Issues with one or more contact surfaces in the ignition switch can also prevent the car from starting.

Thank you so much. I was going to pull the codes, but then I thought the new battery had resolved the issue.
It is an automatic.
The security light did not come on the last time we started the car. took her for a short drive... security light did not come on... she started right up.
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Has your issue been resolved? Replacing the ignition switch is an easy task. Just an FYI, when mine went out, I could disconnect the battery, and it would fire up, once.
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Originally Posted by joraeperkins
We replaced the battery - which was needed.., it was the original.. with 89,000 miles
Started fine... then my husband tried to start the car and again no start.
he put it into neutral and it started.

is the ignition switch replacement an easy fix?
If you can start the car by going to neutral, or moving around the gear shift to different positions, you may have a problem with the neutral/safety switch.
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Well that cannot be good. Now to find someone to attempt to figure it out.
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Originally Posted by corvette77
Has your issue been resolved? Replacing the ignition switch is an easy task. Just an FYI, when mine went out, I could disconnect the battery, and it would fire up, once.
what do you mean fire up once?
Did you replace the ignition switch
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Originally Posted by joraeperkins
what do you mean fire up once?
Did you replace the ignition switch
To begin with, I didn't know anything about the ignition switch issues, or what to look for to determine the problem. Long story short, I thought it was the battery, so I had it replaced. The car fired up right away, so I thought all was good. Nope. Went to start it the next day, and nothing. Next, thinking I had a starter issue, pushed the car into my shop and replaced the starter, which was a PITA. Car started right up, so again I thought I had the issue resolved. Nope. Went to pull it out of my shop, after getting the exhaust back on, and it would not start. Eventually did a lot of reading through a couple years of threads to find the ignition switch was the issue.

I cleaned the contacts and everything was fine. I had to keep doing it about every 3-4 weeks, so just went ahead and replaced the switch.
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I think we will replace the switch. This is my daily driver. Today she started fine twice. Then after an hour drive and off for about ten minutes she didn't want to start. I removed the key wiped off the contact wire 2x the 3rd try she started right up. Security light stayed off.
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Originally Posted by joraeperkins
I think we will replace the switch. This is my daily driver. Today she started fine twice. Then after an hour drive and off for about ten minutes she didn't want to start. I removed the key wiped off the contact wire 2x the 3rd try she started right up. Security light stayed off.

we will look for step by step instructions on removal and replacement of ignition switch.
who has the best prices?

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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
BEFORE you go and install an ignition switch I suggest you first DIAGNOSE the switch to insure it is problematic. You might not be very happy if you replaced a fairly expensive part and still had the same problem(s).

Here are 2 links about the Ignition Switch:

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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1568186703-post64.html

If the voltage measurement across the battery is different that the voltage across the fuses by more than about 0.7 volts, then it is probably worth installing a new ignition switch. The fuses you are measuring are AFTER the ignition switch so bad contacts in the ignition switch would drop the voltage at the fuses.

If the ignition switch is indicated bad by the diagnosis then here is the info on removing the switch:


Removal

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1571067145-post107.html
Thank you very much. I will have the voltage checked out on Tuesday. The part is less than $60, but of course I do not want to spend $ unnecessarily. thanks for the heads up.
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The Security light does not go out. We attempted to replace the ignition switch, but the key cylinder did not fit properly, which was odd since it was a genuine GM part with the correct part #. So now we are looking at replacing the ignition cylinder, however, there is a footnote that says: "Part requires coding at GM dealership". Is this the only way to have this part replaced is at a dealership? Or is there something we can do to properly code the ignition?


Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
If the security light is on with the key in the ON position, the pellet on the key is NOT being read correctly. Could be oxidation on the pellet or on the fine wire inside the key cylinder that reads the key or could be damage to the fine wire in the key cylinder.

If you have a backup key you can try that. Or purchase an aerolsol container of electrical contact cleaner Parts store or Radio Shack for certain. Spray some in the key cylinder then insert and remove the key 15 or 20 times wiping the key on a soft lint free cloth. Repeat if needed.

If that doesn't do it you are looking at a new key cylinder or a bypass of the VAT's system.


You can also jumper the TDR relay in the passenger foot well above the BCM.
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I pulled the codes:
40-BCM B2723 - HC
Pass Key Detection Circuit - now what do i do?
I tried to clear this code and it would not clear out.
Car is not starting either :'(



Originally Posted by joraeperkins
Thank you so much. I was going to pull the codes, but then I thought the new battery had resolved the issue.
It is an automatic.
The security light did not come on the last time we started the car. took her for a short drive... security light did not come on... she started right up.

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