Budget Interior Sound Desdening
01-30-2017, 11:59 AM
#41
I am looking for answers and ideas. I started this thread because I am upgrading my head unit and wanted to see budget minded sound deadening ideas for the C5/C6 Vette. So, don't take me for a critic.
I would like to understand more about the Frost King material inside of the wheel well. The material is exposed to the elements and weather. Why used the material in that location? In this same area, I could see some of the fiberglass insulation sticking out, also exposed to weather and the elements. Are you concerned about the materials getting wet and dirt exposed.
I would like to understand more about the Frost King material inside of the wheel well. The material is exposed to the elements and weather. Why used the material in that location? In this same area, I could see some of the fiberglass insulation sticking out, also exposed to weather and the elements. Are you concerned about the materials getting wet and dirt exposed.
When the wheelwell is put back in the Frost King is not exposed, it is hidden on the inside between the car and the wheelwell and is not exposed to the elements.
The tire side of the wheelwell is not where the Frost King goes.
The Frost King stuck to the floor is exposed to the elements but Frost King is waterproof and the foil side is on the outside.
The wheelwell blocks the elements from hitting the Frost King on the outside of the trunk floor.
The fiberglass sticking out is covered by the wheelwells and butts up against the Frost King.
I'll put Felicia back on the lift later today and take some pictures.
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 12:09 PM.
01-30-2017, 12:06 PM
#42
Another great use for the Frost King is to line your sub box like this one in my 2014 Corvette SUV 
a 475 hp HEMI Cherokee SRT
Made a big difference in punch and crispness
a 475 hp HEMI Cherokee SRTMade a big difference in punch and crispness
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 12:11 PM.
01-30-2017, 12:16 PM
#43
1/4 mile/AutoX
I think you are unclear as to the side of the wheelwells the Frost King is on.
When the wheelwell is put back in the Frost King is not exposed, it is hidden on the inside between the car and the wheelwell and is not exposed to the elements.
The tire side of the wheelwell is not where the Frost King goes.
The Frost King stuck to the floor is exposed to the elements but Frost King is waterproof and the foil side is on the outside.
The wheelwell blocks the elements from hitting the Frost King on the outside of the trunk floor.
The fiberglass sticking out is covered by the wheelwells and butts up against the Frost King.
I'll put Felicia back on the lift later today and take some pictures.
When the wheelwell is put back in the Frost King is not exposed, it is hidden on the inside between the car and the wheelwell and is not exposed to the elements.
The tire side of the wheelwell is not where the Frost King goes.
The Frost King stuck to the floor is exposed to the elements but Frost King is waterproof and the foil side is on the outside.
The wheelwell blocks the elements from hitting the Frost King on the outside of the trunk floor.
The fiberglass sticking out is covered by the wheelwells and butts up against the Frost King.
I'll put Felicia back on the lift later today and take some pictures.
01-30-2017, 12:20 PM
#44
It can be done either way.
Mine has it on the wheelwell.
The above has the foil on the car and the foam on the wheelwell.
Mine has it on the wheelwell.
The above has the foil on the car and the foam on the wheelwell.
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 01:20 PM.
01-30-2017, 02:21 PM
#46
Le Mans Master
Not knocking your choices, just pointing out issues that others may want to know before they use fiberglass or Frost King. Both products were designed for interior use only.
While a single fiberglass strand is waterproof when it is woven into a batt with air spaces between the fibers it can hold water in those air spaces. This often results in mold growth.
The foam used in Frost King is NOT waterproof. It is open cell foam and will absorb and hold moisture.
The foam used in Frost King is NOT waterproof. It is open cell foam and will absorb and hold moisture.
01-30-2017, 03:15 PM
#47
Not knocking your choices, just pointing out issues that others may want to know before they use fiberglass or Frost King. Both products were designed for interior use only.
While a single fiberglass strand is waterproof when it is woven into a batt with air spaces between the fibers it can hold water in those air spaces. This often results in mold growth.
The foam used in Frost King is NOT waterproof. It is open cell foam and will absorb and hold moisture.
While a single fiberglass strand is waterproof when it is woven into a batt with air spaces between the fibers it can hold water in those air spaces. This often results in mold growth.
The foam used in Frost King is NOT waterproof. It is open cell foam and will absorb and hold moisture.
If you cheap-out you are just creating a problem and more work for someone (maybe even yourself!) down the road. But it is your car, your time, your money, etc.
You can learn "tuition-free" from those who have gotten schooled on this stuff. Or you can start at the beginning and make your own mistakes.
Good luck with your 'Vette projects
01-30-2017, 03:42 PM
#48
Not knocking your choices, just pointing out issues that others may want to know before they use fiberglass or Frost King. Both products were designed for interior use only.
While a single fiberglass strand is waterproof when it is woven into a batt with air spaces between the fibers it can hold water in those air spaces. This often results in mold growth.
The foam used in Frost King is NOT waterproof. It is open cell foam and will absorb and hold moisture.
While a single fiberglass strand is waterproof when it is woven into a batt with air spaces between the fibers it can hold water in those air spaces. This often results in mold growth.
The foam used in Frost King is NOT waterproof. It is open cell foam and will absorb and hold moisture.
I just pulled back a cover and checked my tar paper backed fiberglass behind the wheelwell
that's stuffed in there tight and it's clean and dry after 2 years as is the Frost King.
This includes driving in the rain numerous times.
So in my experience holding moisture is not an issue.
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 03:59 PM.
01-30-2017, 04:03 PM
#49
These are excellent observations, and I repeat my self "Why is there always time to do it over, but never time to do it right on the first go-round?
If you cheap-out you are just creating a problem and more work for someone (maybe even yourself!) down the road. But it is your car, your time, your money, etc.
You can learn "tuition-free" from those who have gotten schooled on this stuff. Or you can start at the beginning and make your own mistakes.
Good luck with your 'Vette projects
If you cheap-out you are just creating a problem and more work for someone (maybe even yourself!) down the road. But it is your car, your time, your money, etc.
You can learn "tuition-free" from those who have gotten schooled on this stuff. Or you can start at the beginning and make your own mistakes.
Good luck with your 'Vette projects
I speak from experience while you are merely speculating and giving me the always time to do it over cliche.
I make up my own rules.
If you don't want to use this stuff because of what you think you know or what directions tell you
then find something else to use.
I'm getting tired of arguing about this so have a nice day.
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 04:05 PM.
01-30-2017, 04:04 PM
#50
Good day to you as well
01-30-2017, 04:07 PM
#51
You keep bringing up points you read about that I have dismissed based on my experience.
The moisture "issue" is a red herring
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 04:10 PM.
01-30-2017, 04:10 PM
#52
01-30-2017, 04:14 PM
#53
I have already addressed the alleged moisture "issue" twice in this thread
and posted pictures supporting my opinion and experience as proof.
Last edited by StrangelovesM6Vert; 01-30-2017 at 04:58 PM.
01-31-2017, 02:15 PM
#54
Drifting
I have 2 questions.
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
Last edited by mrlmd; 01-31-2017 at 02:16 PM.
01-31-2017, 02:23 PM
#55
I have 2 questions.
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
It's easier to put a piece of Frost King on the wheelwell than cut pieces to fit it from the top side inside the car.
01-31-2017, 02:26 PM
#56
Instructor
I have 2 questions.
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
01-31-2017, 02:37 PM
#57
1/4 mile/AutoX
I have 2 questions.
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
01-31-2017, 05:32 PM
#58
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
For me, spending $200.00 for sound deadening in a car, on top of the cost for the head unit and other sundry items is simply not an option, no matter how great the marketed sound deadening material may be. I must to look for alternatives where they present themselves. If the alternatives provide acceptable results; then, acceptable is good enough. I and most, others have more pressing obligations (home, family, business, parent care, etc).
Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do, and be OK with it.
Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do, and be OK with it.
01-31-2017, 05:44 PM
#59
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I have 2 questions.
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
How/where do you start to remove the interior rug in the coupe to lay down the insulation material, whatever you use?
And if you cover the entire rear compartment, including over the wheels, do you still have to do inside the fender wells, underneath? The insulation inside is not enough?
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01-31-2017, 06:04 PM
#60
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I am new to Corvettes. I've had mine less than a year. It looks like there is an inner and outer rear wheel well. From what I can see in the photos, you lined the outer wheel well so the sound deadening material is not visible under the carpets. Is that right? I really doesn't matter, I will be placing the sound deadening under the carpet of the deck, wheel wells, and rear deck firewall.