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[Z06] New C7Z 400lbs heavier than C5Z

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Old 08-24-2014, 10:55 PM
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Well it may have us by 250 horses but at least we are 400lbs lighter. It is coming in at around 3525lbs for the coupe and 3585 for the vert. Yikes!
Should have stuck with the purity of the Z06 and left it n/a'd and hard top only! Oh and definitely NO friggen automatic tranny! Even Ford knows not to offer an auto Cobra (SVT or Shelby) Mustang.
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Totally agree with leaving it with a bad a$$ N/A motor and with the hard top. And putting an auto Trans in it is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by 95Z28M6
Totally agree with leaving it with a bad a$$ N/A motor and with the hard top. And putting an auto Trans in it is ridiculous.


This man for GM president.

They just completely changed what a Z06 is all about.
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none to less its still going to be an amazing Vette!
Old 08-25-2014, 01:44 AM
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The car is an absolute beast, the change to a forced induction car had to happen, how many NA builds without power adders do you see in that range?

Price and reliability dictated it, as for the additional options more power to them listening to the people who will be buying these cars.

I personally know a lot of people who would of killed for a Targa or convertible option since the days our Zs were the biggest and baddest same for the transmission.

I for one love how unique the c5 frc platform is compared to other modern corvettes and will never let mine go.
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The new car is amazing. The weight is understandable given the extra hardware. My only complaint is using the name Z06. The name has earned a certain image over the past 14 odd years, and the weight and forced induction is(was) not part of it. If it were named the ZR1, I bet no one would complain.

BUT......Z06 is still my favorite name/designation, so...

It is what it is. I wouldn't kick it out of my garage.
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Meh. The new Z06 is going to be so badass I don't care about the weight. Hard to keep the weight down with all the added tech that comes with cars these days. And the performance is going to be so ridiculous I don't think anyone would think much about the weight.

I know when I drove a ZR1 at Sebring I sure was hell wasn't thinking about how it weighed 200 lbs more than my C5 Z06. I was thinking this car is badass!!!

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Old 08-25-2014, 09:46 AM
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As bad as I hate to admit.. I would sell/trade my C5Z for one... I would also trade/sell it for a C6ZR1.... Other than that, I will always own C5Z.. The platform is timeless.
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Originally Posted by 0H1Z06
As bad as I hate to admit.. I would sell/trade my C5Z for one... I would also trade/sell it for a C6ZR1.... Other than that, I will always own C5Z.. The platform is timeless.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to prices of C6ZR1's.. since most used were in the 70-90K range and now youll be able to get a C7Z for $79K.
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Originally Posted by PeteZ06
It'll be interesting to see what happens to prices of C6ZR1's.. since most used were in the 70-90K range and now youll be able to get a C7Z for $79K.
My exact thoughts as well... .

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I'll have to agree. The new car is too heavy, offered in a convertible, with an auto option, and supercharged. All of those things are opposite of what a z06 is in my mind. Its probably brilliant, but its totally wrong. It would be like if Bentley offered a small, 2 seater 6 speed 4 cylinder like the miata with virtually no creature comforts and lightweight cheap materials. who would ever want that? its supposed to be a big, heavy, luxurious car with an engine the size of the moon under the hood.
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I really like the c7z but to me it isnt a true z06. C6z will most likely be my next Z
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Originally Posted by PeteZ06
It'll be interesting to see what happens to prices of C6ZR1's.. since most used were in the 70-90K range and now youll be able to get a C7Z for $79K.
Like most vettes they'll lose half their value probably within 6-7 years.

The ZR1 did come with some options like ceramic brakes that adds ~$10-12k to the price of the C7 z06 but the C7 Z06 looks like the better bang for your buck.

The weight issue isn't too big. It has bigger tires, wheels, beefier trans, rear end, and a blower + water intercooler to haul around. Once you add those to a c5z the weight difference isn't that big.
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Originally Posted by ysb02
Like most vettes they'll lose half their value probably within 6-7 years.

The ZR1 did come with some options like ceramic brakes that adds ~$10-12k to the price of the C7 z06 but the C7 Z06 looks like the better bang for your buck.

The weight issue isn't too big. It has bigger tires, wheels, beefier trans, rear end, and a blower + water intercooler to haul around. Once you add those to a c5z the weight difference isn't that big.
And adding the blower/intercooler to any z06 kinda eliminates the initial purpose of it. Turns it essentially into a zr1 IMO
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I had this exact conversation with my dad last week. I wish they had focused on minimizing weight and maximizing NA power. I'm sure there are a lot of regulations, requirements, restrictions, and accountants that force engineers to go in the direction they did.

I want it to be successful, so I find no harm in an automatic option although it it would not be my choice.

It would be much more impressive if it were "all motor" even if it had less power and torque. Seems like they could have been pretty close to 600 without forced induction.
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Originally Posted by OKZ06
how many NA builds without power adders do you see in that range?
To me, this is the key to reasoning behind much of the C7. Ford seems to be content with the market niche it has filled with the Mustang. It's not interested in customers that want anything other than a mustang.

The Corvette (maybe only in my mind) seems to be trying to appeal to the supercar market, and if you look at those cars there is a lot of high-tech forced induction engines with "flappy-paddle gear boxes." The C7Z06 is just cheaper than all of them.

Let's remember that greater than Z06 namesakes and traditional styling, the greatest role that the Corvette must fill above all others is that of a true American sports car. It must be able to compete with its European competition.

Either way, they are both great cars for what they each are respectively.
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Originally Posted by PeteZ06
It'll be interesting to see what happens to prices of C6ZR1's.. since most used were in the 70-90K range and now youll be able to get a C7Z for $79K.
I doubt one will be found the first year for that amount with dealers taking more profits due to demand. The auto and vert options will bring new customers in for sure. If you add the carbon fiber and Z07 suspension packages, this car will be approaching six digits after tag, title, tax, and delivery fees! Honestly for that much I would rather have a nice used Ferrari F430.

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I wonder if the C4 ZR1 fans had the same dislike for blowers when the C6 ZR1 rolled out?


Trust me, I understand the thoughts behind a great NA big cube engine.. its why I went that route. But with every manufacturer upping the HP game and so many cars pushing 600hp, thats going to get more and more difficult to get out of a NA engine that isnt surging like crazy and making decent gas mileage.. Forced induction truly is the only way to go. Well almost.. I'd love to see a 9K rpm V10 in a Vette someday!!
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Originally Posted by PeteZ06
I wonder if the C4 ZR1 fans had the same dislike for blowers when the C6 ZR1 rolled out?


Trust me, I understand the thoughts behind a great NA big cube engine.. its why I went that route. But with every manufacturer upping the HP game and so many cars pushing 600hp, thats going to get more and more difficult to get out of a NA engine that isnt surging like crazy and making decent gas mileage.. Forced induction truly is the only way to go. Well almost.. I'd love to see a 9K rpm V10 in a Vette someday!!
I'll take forced induction over supplementary electric motors. It kills me to see so many manufacturers going that route.
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Its a lot of factors that go into play, one is emissions..its really hard to pass emissions now days with a big cube engine, so lower displcement and add a forced induction is more emission friendly due to the engine being more efficient..emission standards change every cpl of years and its getting bad...expect next z06 twin turbo
As far as c7z i would get one in a hard beat if i could afford one, but to add things in order to my collection i will be getting a c6z first. Now days people barely track their corvettes, roughly 80% of people that own one have never even tracked one. Z06 was always performance oriented and perferred by people that like to go fast so in c7z GM decided to add performnce but also things that can pull the "other" corvette crowd. People that buy the car put the top down put it in D and smash the pedal.


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