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Well not torch... but you get the idea (sig). I like the specger werkes b/c they look the most like the C5-R. I like that the BPP lights are flush but I don't like the shapes of the lights they have. Also they have little fans which I hear don't work too well at keeping the moisture out. Of course... the C5-R lights aren't sealed, but mine only fogged up once in a torrential down pour. :cheers: