Talked to a Denso (NAV) engineer today
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Talked to a Denso (NAV) engineer today
Got a phone call from a Denso engineer today to discuss issues with the Denso NAV unit. Another Yellow said he would give them my number and he is a man of his word.
So here is how it went (condensed version):
XM RADIO
Q, Why is the level of the XM signal so low?
A. Standard RMS for that input is 2.0 volts. The XM voltage is 1.4. It is within spec, but should be looked at. It is a problem with the module.
Note: We discussed that the level being attenuated could be the reason for the lack of quality.
Q. Can it be fixed?
A. We will look into it.
Q. Could you look into putting an (title/artist) INFO button on the NAV screen? It is tough to have to pusH the radio button then the info then the NAV button to get info.
A Good idea, I will present that to my boss.
GENERAL
Q. When an upgrade is available is the flash updated with a CD/DVD?
A. Yes
CD CHANGER
Q. Is there a CD changer coming?
A. Yes.
Q. Who makes it?
A. Panasonic.
Q. When will it be available?
A Probably late summer.
Q. Will it play MP3?
A. No.
Note: When the player becomes available a CD will come with it to update the interface.
MP3
Q. Why doesn't the current unit have MP3 capability?
A Originally it did and it used a software decoder, but the performance of the file system was painfully slow. So it was decided to remove the capability because GM feared it may cause warranty claims (in a nutshell).
*****************EDIT !!! *******************
I was reminded by the Denso engineer about something I failed to mention (I told you I was no reporter)
A. "We are working on providing an acceptable level performance MP3 function to customers."
****************END EDIT !**********************
CHEAT/SETUP SCREENS
Q Is there any way to get to a setup screen to maybe turn off the "I ACCEPT" screen and other functions?
A. There used to be those types of functions, and the one for the Cadillac was leaked out. They removed them from all later models because of big time liability issues. To my knowledge there are no hidden shortcuts in your NAV.
BOSE VOLUME/NOISE COMPENSATION
Q. What is the deal with the Bose noise compensation being a worthless piece of junk?
A. (Laugh) That is strictly a Bose issue, you will have to take it up with them. It is an on/off situation, the microphone picks up a certain level of noise and turns on the system. (we talked about speed sensitive system for a while).
INPUTS
Q. Are there any inputs into the unit for other sources?
A. The XM and CD use the inputs, but to answer the question, there are no RCA style inputs available.
Q. Is there a protocol available that can be placed on the bus for other inputs(say replacing the XM with Sirius). So that data can be shown on the screen.
A. They use a GM protocol and to my knowledge there is nothing available.
MAPS
Q. Some people are complaining that their maps are out of date. Will we be seeing an update soon?
A. Yes.They come out once a year and you should see one available late summer.
Q. Do your maps come from a 3rd party?
A. Yes, we get them and recode them to our format.
That was it, we talked about some other stuff, the forum, where I work and what I do and went into more detail on some subjects. Very nice,straightforward, and knowledgeable guy. I believe the answers were accurate.
Remember I am no reporter, and was ill prepared, So I winged it and pulled this from memory. I am going to send him this thread and he can check for accuracy.
So here is how it went (condensed version):
XM RADIO
Q, Why is the level of the XM signal so low?
A. Standard RMS for that input is 2.0 volts. The XM voltage is 1.4. It is within spec, but should be looked at. It is a problem with the module.
Note: We discussed that the level being attenuated could be the reason for the lack of quality.
Q. Can it be fixed?
A. We will look into it.
Q. Could you look into putting an (title/artist) INFO button on the NAV screen? It is tough to have to pusH the radio button then the info then the NAV button to get info.
A Good idea, I will present that to my boss.
GENERAL
Q. When an upgrade is available is the flash updated with a CD/DVD?
A. Yes
CD CHANGER
Q. Is there a CD changer coming?
A. Yes.
Q. Who makes it?
A. Panasonic.
Q. When will it be available?
A Probably late summer.
Q. Will it play MP3?
A. No.
Note: When the player becomes available a CD will come with it to update the interface.
MP3
Q. Why doesn't the current unit have MP3 capability?
A Originally it did and it used a software decoder, but the performance of the file system was painfully slow. So it was decided to remove the capability because GM feared it may cause warranty claims (in a nutshell).
*****************EDIT !!! *******************
I was reminded by the Denso engineer about something I failed to mention (I told you I was no reporter)
A. "We are working on providing an acceptable level performance MP3 function to customers."
****************END EDIT !**********************
CHEAT/SETUP SCREENS
Q Is there any way to get to a setup screen to maybe turn off the "I ACCEPT" screen and other functions?
A. There used to be those types of functions, and the one for the Cadillac was leaked out. They removed them from all later models because of big time liability issues. To my knowledge there are no hidden shortcuts in your NAV.
BOSE VOLUME/NOISE COMPENSATION
Q. What is the deal with the Bose noise compensation being a worthless piece of junk?
A. (Laugh) That is strictly a Bose issue, you will have to take it up with them. It is an on/off situation, the microphone picks up a certain level of noise and turns on the system. (we talked about speed sensitive system for a while).
INPUTS
Q. Are there any inputs into the unit for other sources?
A. The XM and CD use the inputs, but to answer the question, there are no RCA style inputs available.
Q. Is there a protocol available that can be placed on the bus for other inputs(say replacing the XM with Sirius). So that data can be shown on the screen.
A. They use a GM protocol and to my knowledge there is nothing available.
MAPS
Q. Some people are complaining that their maps are out of date. Will we be seeing an update soon?
A. Yes.They come out once a year and you should see one available late summer.
Q. Do your maps come from a 3rd party?
A. Yes, we get them and recode them to our format.
That was it, we talked about some other stuff, the forum, where I work and what I do and went into more detail on some subjects. Very nice,straightforward, and knowledgeable guy. I believe the answers were accurate.
Remember I am no reporter, and was ill prepared, So I winged it and pulled this from memory. I am going to send him this thread and he can check for accuracy.
Last edited by TedG; 04-26-2005 at 01:45 PM. Reason: Denso engineer reminded me of omission
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That's good news about the changer. Does anyone here have any word on what will be required in terms of wiring? I'm of the understanding that the changer will be "trunk"-mounted. I assume that a cable will need to be run. Wonder if later-production cars might be built with the cable already in place?
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Originally Posted by TedG
INPUTS
Q. Are there any inputs into the unit for other sources?
A. The XM and CD use the inputs, but to answer the question, there are no RCA style inputs available.
Q. Are there any inputs into the unit for other sources?
A. The XM and CD use the inputs, but to answer the question, there are no RCA style inputs available.
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Originally Posted by accidentprone
So how in the world will the CD Changer work?
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Good work. Since its flash upgradeable they should be able to add a soft button on the screen that you could use to change the toggle switch to scan, scan presets, or seek when on radio or XM. This would allow you to stay on the nav but go through your presets up or down with the toggle. This is a major ommision in the design.
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Originally Posted by crabman
Good work. Since its flash upgradeable they should be able to add a soft button on the screen that you could use to change the toggle switch to scan, scan presets, or seek when on radio or XM. This would allow you to stay on the nav but go through your presets up or down with the toggle. This is a major ommision in the design.
Thank you, Crabman.
As for you Ted, great job! It is interesting to confirm that there was actually logic behind the design decisions. The 2.0 version of this product will probably get it right but it surprises me that there are so many drawbacks to the NAV stereo which are completely solved in competing products.
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I am sure there were more questions I should have asked. But at least we got a few answers to nagging questions. I will be dead happy with a CD changer.
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Originally Posted by TedG
Got a phone call from a Denso engineer today to discuss issues with the Denso NAV unit. Another Yellow said he would give them my number and he is a man of his word.
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Originally Posted by TedG
XM RADIO
Q, Why is the level of the XM signal so low?
A. Standard RMS for that input is 2.0 volts. The XM voltage is 1.4. It is within spec, but should be looked at. It is a problem with the module.
Note: We discussed that the level being attenuated could be the reason for the lack of quality.
Q. Can it be fixed?
A. We will look into it.
Q, Why is the level of the XM signal so low?
A. Standard RMS for that input is 2.0 volts. The XM voltage is 1.4. It is within spec, but should be looked at. It is a problem with the module.
Note: We discussed that the level being attenuated could be the reason for the lack of quality.
Q. Can it be fixed?
A. We will look into it.
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Originally Posted by Another Yellow
Glad he called you Ted. They were very helpful to everyone. Flashed my radio and Nav with the latest software. They also gave out an updated manual for the Nav system. I'll take a look and see what changes were made.
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Close to on-topic...
Does anyone know of a way to get the XM info bar at the top of the screen to keep scrolling full time, rather than requiring a press of the info button. If there's no way to do that, seems like another big omission to me...
Does anyone know of a way to get the XM info bar at the top of the screen to keep scrolling full time, rather than requiring a press of the info button. If there's no way to do that, seems like another big omission to me...
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Originally Posted by yellowscream
Close to on-topic...
Does anyone know of a way to get the XM info bar at the top of the screen to keep scrolling full time, rather than requiring a press of the info button. If there's no way to do that, seems like another big omission to me...
Does anyone know of a way to get the XM info bar at the top of the screen to keep scrolling full time, rather than requiring a press of the info button. If there's no way to do that, seems like another big omission to me...
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Originally Posted by crazyeddie
Thanks Ted, good stuff even if I don't like some of the answers--Ed