C6 Corvette General Discussion General C6 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

What are the disadvantages of disconnecting battery for winter?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-25-2007, 10:49 PM
  #1  
corvette dave
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
corvette dave's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 2,258
Received 22 Likes on 14 Posts

Default What are the disadvantages of disconnecting battery for winter?

Other than having to reset the radio presets and resetting the window indexing are there any other issues with disconnecting the battery for winter?
Old 11-25-2007, 10:54 PM
  #2  
1bdvet
Team Owner

 
1bdvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2000
Location: Plantation Florida USAF(Retired) 1966-1990
Posts: 47,895
Received 4,505 Likes on 3,590 Posts
U.S. Air Force
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23-'24
NCM Sinkhole Donor


Default

Get a battery tender for your car. Do a search on battery tenders, there are lot of them.
Old 11-25-2007, 10:56 PM
  #3  
PAVette
Melting Slicks
 
PAVette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Carlisle PA
Posts: 3,247
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 1bdvet
Get a battery tender for your car. Do a search on battery tenders, there are lot of them.
It will keep your battery in great shape and you're always ready to go!
Old 11-26-2007, 12:13 AM
  #4  
zare191
Burning Brakes
 
zare191's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2006
Location: Scottsdale Arizona
Posts: 892
Received 24 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by corvette dave
Other than having to reset the radio presets and resetting the window indexing are there any other issues with disconnecting the battery for winter?

Yes----makes it very difficult to take the Vette out every day and enjoy the great weather.
Old 11-26-2007, 12:20 AM
  #5  
mwct
Melting Slicks
 
mwct's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

None that I can think of.
Old 11-26-2007, 12:24 AM
  #6  
shopdog
Race Director
 
shopdog's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,089
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by corvette dave
Other than having to reset the radio presets and resetting the window indexing are there any other issues with disconnecting the battery for winter?
At least 2 of the 3 radio HUs retain presets when power is removed.
Old 11-26-2007, 06:02 AM
  #7  
foremaw
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
foremaw's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: Providence Forge, VA
Posts: 4,254
Received 114 Likes on 46 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11-'12

Default

Originally Posted by mwct
None that I can think of.
Old 11-26-2007, 06:21 AM
  #8  
FortMorganAl
Le Mans Master
 
FortMorganAl's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Currently somewhere in IL,IN,KY,TN,MO,AR,MS,AL, or FL
Posts: 8,514
Received 228 Likes on 187 Posts

Default

Any battery will self discharge over time. If you don't put a tender (not just a charger) on it while it is in storage, it will discharge over the winter and you might as well not bother.

It is the discharging and recharging of a lead acid battery that causes them to fail. The difference between a tender and a charger is that you can leave a tender connected 24/7 for years and the battery will be in better shape than if you drive the car every day. A charger applies too much voltage and will "boil" the electrolyte out of the battery.

Get a tender and leave the battery in the car for the best result.
Old 11-26-2007, 07:42 AM
  #9  
easyrider13
Melting Slicks
 
easyrider13's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2004
Location: Bergen County, NJ Sarasota, FL
Posts: 2,043
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by FortMorganAl
Get a tender and leave the battery in the car for the best result.

I have several Battery Butlers that have worked well for me for years. They are relatively inexpensive.
Old 11-26-2007, 09:21 AM
  #10  
Sammgb
Safety Car
 
Sammgb's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Live in S.Dayton, Work in Cincinnati Ohio
Posts: 3,661
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post

Default

[QUOTE=FortMorganAl;1562906173]...If you don't put a tender (not just a charger) on it while it is in storage, it will discharge over the winter and you might as well not bother. ...[QUOTE]

While I agree with MOST of what you say, this particular phrase I have to disagree with. I've been collecting and storing cars now for the better part of the past 11 years and I have to say, that disconnecting the battery will keep it from discharging in any appreciable amount. If I leave the battery connected, then yes, they will discharge over time. If the battery is disconnected and there is nothing to draw current from the battery, when they are reconnected, they behave as they did prior to the disconnecting. I have NEVER had to charge a battery that I disconnected over the winter when it was reinstalled the following spring in any of my MGBs, MGA, (my father's) Corvette or 32ft. motorhome.
Old 11-26-2007, 09:32 AM
  #11  
6spdC6
Team Owner
 
6spdC6's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2005
Location: Northern NYs Adirondack Mountains,http://www.visitsacandaga.com.
Posts: 34,641
Received 146 Likes on 109 Posts

Default

[QUOTE=Sammgb;1562907281][QUOTE=FortMorganAl;1562906173]...If you don't put a tender (not just a charger) on it while it is in storage, it will discharge over the winter and you might as well not bother. ...

While I agree with MOST of what you say, this particular phrase I have to disagree with. I've been collecting and storing cars now for the better part of the past 11 years and I have to say, that disconnecting the battery will keep it from discharging in any appreciable amount. If I leave the battery connected, then yes, they will discharge over time. If the battery is disconnected and there is nothing to draw current from the battery, when they are reconnected, they behave as they did prior to the disconnecting. I have NEVER had to charge a battery that I disconnected over the winter when it was reinstalled the following spring in any of my MGBs, MGA, (my father's) Corvette or 32ft. motorhome.

My experiences differ from yours. That’s over 20 years storing boat batteries and car batteries over the winter.
Batteries are removed from vehicle and go in basement which averages 60 degrees (they are set on wooden shelves off the floor.)
They always discharged heavily over the approximately 6 month time. Years ago I changed my storage methods
Now I use a tender on BOTH. The Vette battery is in the car; only the boat battery is pulled and brought into house.
Old 11-26-2007, 09:43 AM
  #12  
ronsc1985
Melting Slicks
 
ronsc1985's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Manassas VA
Posts: 3,270
Received 179 Likes on 138 Posts

Default

Lead acid batteries lose about 3% per month of their charge when new. If older it gets worse. Numerous people who leave their lawn mower batteries in the lawn mower over the winter stored in the cold can attest to this as they purchase a new battery in the spring. If it gets discharged enough the electrolyte will freeze if left in sub freezing temperatures.

If you want to disconnect the battery, remove it and put it inside or somewhere else where it is warm. If you don't want to do this then get a battery tender as described in previous posts. Actually a lot of modern battery chargers have this feature built in. I have a 40 amp automatic charger in my race trailer that has this function. It cost something like 90 bucks. It also has an over 100 amp start setting if your battery is dead and you need to go immediately.
Old 11-26-2007, 10:10 AM
  #13  
Seeker135
Pro
 
Seeker135's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Scenic (and snowy) New Hampshire
Posts: 503
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=6spdC6;1562907378][QUOTE=Sammgb;1562907281]
Originally Posted by FortMorganAl
...If you don't put a tender (not just a charger) on it while it is in storage, it will discharge over the winter and you might as well not bother. ...


My experiences differ from yours. That’s over 20 years storing boat batteries and car batteries over the winter.
Batteries are removed from vehicle and go in basement which averages 60 degrees (they are set on wooden shelves off the floor.)
They always discharged heavily over the approximately 6 month time. Years ago I changed my storage methods
Now I use a tender on BOTH. The Vette battery is in the car; only the boat battery is pulled and brought into house.
I've been storing boat, lawnmower, and car batteries over 50 years and those that were not on some kind of tender discharged considerably. Something the guys in Fla and Az, etc don't have to worry about.
Old 11-26-2007, 10:17 AM
  #14  
PAmotorman
Melting Slicks
 
PAmotorman's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2007
Posts: 2,415
Likes: 0
Received 150 Likes on 131 Posts

Default

any time you let a battery go dead you shorten its life. i remove the batteries from my quads and lawn tractor which are stored in a unheated building and i take them into the garage. i trickle charge at 2 amps all my batteries once a month and the batteries in the quads are 9 and 10 years old. i do the same with the vette.
Old 11-26-2007, 10:45 AM
  #15  
MNVette
Melting Slicks
 
MNVette's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: MN
Posts: 2,324
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I use a Wally World battery tender - it has a set of eyelet cables that you put under the screws on the top of the battery posts. The cable then plugs into the tender, and it charges the battery whenever necessary. I simply unplug the tender, close the hood, and drive away. The eyelet cables are permanently bolted to the battery, so no issues there.
Old 11-26-2007, 12:08 PM
  #16  
corvette dave
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
corvette dave's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 2,258
Received 22 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

So far there are 14 responses to my original post.
3 answered the question. 11 talked about battery tenders, etc.
Not upset about that because I've learned some things about battery technology and storage.

Just wanted to add something to the conversation about batteries.
In my limited reading about batteries it seems that very hot weather has a huge affect on batteries while cold weather does not have as much affect as long as the battery does not freeze.
My garage stays at least 45 degrees all winter. So while I used to take my motorcycle battery in the house for the winter I don't anymore. Haven't for 10 years. I leave it on the bike without charging. Sometimes I'll charge it in the spring when I get it out and it starts fine after 4 months sitting.
The corvette sat last winter for 8 weeks without starting or external charge. It was slow but did start.

Some articles say that it's just a myth that storing a battery on concrete is bad for it.
Here are 2 articles:

http://www.clarity.net/~adam/winter-storage.html

http://www.harley-performance.com/winter-storage.html

Last edited by corvette dave; 11-26-2007 at 12:16 PM.
Old 11-26-2007, 01:15 PM
  #17  
codename Bil Doe
Burning Brakes
 
codename Bil Doe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: San Jose CA
Posts: 774
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Car doesn't run.

Get notified of new replies

To What are the disadvantages of disconnecting battery for winter?

Old 11-26-2007, 02:18 PM
  #18  
Victoryred 08
Burning Brakes
 
Victoryred 08's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2007
Location: Eagle River Wisconsin
Posts: 1,164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

I used to take all six of my batteries down in the basement to store on 2x6's on the floor. I'd then slow charge every 60 days at 2 amps on an auto charger to keep them at full charge. This worked good. Now, I keep all outside in my pole barn. I check charge every 60 days, but now there always at full charge. There's hardly any discharge when left outside. It also beats carrying those things up and down the stairs come fall ans spring. Cold storage is always better the warm. It gets to at least 30 below here and never had a battery freeze. Check there charges and all will be fine.
Old 11-26-2007, 02:40 PM
  #19  
ronsc1985
Melting Slicks
 
ronsc1985's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Manassas VA
Posts: 3,270
Received 179 Likes on 138 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by corvette dave
Some articles say that it's just a myth that storing a battery on concrete is bad for it.

html[/url]
It is an old wives tale. Anyone who thinks a concrete floor makes any difference should get a Ohm meter and set it on the highest scale (megohms). Measure between either terminal (+ or -) to the concrete. You will notice the reading for resistance is over range high on a digital readout or not moving at all on a analog readout. This means that about zero current can flow out of either terminal to the concrete.

Probably this myth got started because someone stored a battery which had a lot of crud between the terminals. What it was set on was happenstance and had nothing to do with the discharge rate.
Old 11-26-2007, 03:07 PM
  #20  
carpe dm
Le Mans Master
 
carpe dm's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: Tucson AZ
Posts: 8,205
Received 36 Likes on 35 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by FortMorganAl
Any battery will self discharge over time. If you don't put a tender (not just a charger) on it while it is in storage, it will discharge over the winter and you might as well not bother.
It is the discharging and recharging of a lead acid battery that causes them to fail. The difference between a tender and a charger is that you can leave a tender connected 24/7 for years and the battery will be in better shape than if you drive the car every day. A charger applies too much voltage and will "boil" the electrolyte out of the battery.
Get a tender and leave the battery in the car for the best result.



Quick Reply: What are the disadvantages of disconnecting battery for winter?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:02 AM.