GM drops warranty from 100,000 to 60,000 miles
03-12-2015, 07:40 PM
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GM drops warranty from 100,000 to 60,000 miles
Interesting..... wonder why the change? Is all the new technology less dependable?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...o-60000-miles/
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...o-60000-miles/
Automotive News reports General Motors is backing down from its 100,000-mile powertrain warranty.
Starting in 2016, Chevrolet and GMC models will carry a 60,000-mile warranty instead. The five-year/100,000-mile warranty was intended to be a symbol of the company's new-found quality, and GM hoped it would lure new buyers. Now GM is saying the program wasn't as much of a selling point as it had hoped.
You can also say goodbye to the two years of free maintenance on Chevrolet, GMC, and Buick models. Those brands will drop to just two free service visits. Buyers will still get courtesy transportation and roadside assistance as part of the 60,000-mile warranty, however.
According to the report, GM plans to reinvest the savings it will see from the changes back into other retail programs.
Starting in 2016, Chevrolet and GMC models will carry a 60,000-mile warranty instead. The five-year/100,000-mile warranty was intended to be a symbol of the company's new-found quality, and GM hoped it would lure new buyers. Now GM is saying the program wasn't as much of a selling point as it had hoped.
You can also say goodbye to the two years of free maintenance on Chevrolet, GMC, and Buick models. Those brands will drop to just two free service visits. Buyers will still get courtesy transportation and roadside assistance as part of the 60,000-mile warranty, however.
According to the report, GM plans to reinvest the savings it will see from the changes back into other retail programs.
03-12-2015, 08:01 PM
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my speculation:
-cutting costs wherever they can, losing lots of money to recalls and lawsuits, need to make up for it somewhere. a 100k mile warranty can be expensive to provide.
-lots of new technology in lots of new power plants, no proven history of reliability yet
- + their fluff response about market research and how it doesn't entice buyers, and isn't necessary.
-cutting costs wherever they can, losing lots of money to recalls and lawsuits, need to make up for it somewhere. a 100k mile warranty can be expensive to provide.
-lots of new technology in lots of new power plants, no proven history of reliability yet
- + their fluff response about market research and how it doesn't entice buyers, and isn't necessary.
03-12-2015, 08:07 PM
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Le Mans Master
my speculation:
-cutting costs wherever they can, losing lots of money to recalls and lawsuits, need to make up for it somewhere. a 100k mile warranty can be expensive to provide.
-lots of new technology in lots of new power plants, no proven history of reliability yet
- + their fluff response about market research and how it doesn't entice buyers, and isn't necessary.
-cutting costs wherever they can, losing lots of money to recalls and lawsuits, need to make up for it somewhere. a 100k mile warranty can be expensive to provide.
-lots of new technology in lots of new power plants, no proven history of reliability yet
- + their fluff response about market research and how it doesn't entice buyers, and isn't necessary.
03-12-2015, 08:13 PM
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my speculation:
-cutting costs wherever they can, losing lots of money to recalls and lawsuits, need to make up for it somewhere. a 100k mile warranty can be expensive to provide.
-lots of new technology in lots of new power plants, no proven history of reliability yet
- + their fluff response about market research and how it doesn't entice buyers, and isn't necessary.
-cutting costs wherever they can, losing lots of money to recalls and lawsuits, need to make up for it somewhere. a 100k mile warranty can be expensive to provide.
-lots of new technology in lots of new power plants, no proven history of reliability yet
- + their fluff response about market research and how it doesn't entice buyers, and isn't necessary.
I really wonder what the long term reliability of direct injection and turbos will be.
03-12-2015, 08:15 PM
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Le Mans Master
Hmmm -- the new GM is starting to sound more and more like the old GM.
BTW, was at my Chevy dealership today, and the brightly lit showroom proved what the guys over at C7 General have been complaining about: the C7 does exhibit quite a lot of orange peel. The blue coupe I saw shared the show floor with a Sonic, Cruze, Spark, Malibu, Impala, Tahoe, Equinox and Trax, and all had much, much less orange peel than the Vette. Dealership also had a just-sold-and-detailed used C6 ZR1 (also blue), and it's paint was one helluva lot smoother than the C7's.
BTW, was at my Chevy dealership today, and the brightly lit showroom proved what the guys over at C7 General have been complaining about: the C7 does exhibit quite a lot of orange peel. The blue coupe I saw shared the show floor with a Sonic, Cruze, Spark, Malibu, Impala, Tahoe, Equinox and Trax, and all had much, much less orange peel than the Vette. Dealership also had a just-sold-and-detailed used C6 ZR1 (also blue), and it's paint was one helluva lot smoother than the C7's.
03-12-2015, 08:35 PM
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Le Mans Master
Hmmm -- the new GM is starting to sound more and more like the old GM.
BTW, was at my Chevy dealership today, and the brightly lit showroom proved what the guys over at C7 General have been complaining about: the C7 does exhibit quite a lot of orange peel. The blue coupe I saw shared the show floor with a Sonic, Cruze, Spark, Malibu, Impala, Tahoe, Equinox and Trax, and all had much, much less orange peel than the Vette. Dealership also had a just-sold-and-detailed used C6 ZR1 (also blue), and it's paint was one helluva lot smoother than the C7's.
BTW, was at my Chevy dealership today, and the brightly lit showroom proved what the guys over at C7 General have been complaining about: the C7 does exhibit quite a lot of orange peel. The blue coupe I saw shared the show floor with a Sonic, Cruze, Spark, Malibu, Impala, Tahoe, Equinox and Trax, and all had much, much less orange peel than the Vette. Dealership also had a just-sold-and-detailed used C6 ZR1 (also blue), and it's paint was one helluva lot smoother than the C7's.
But I've seen a couple C7s that really looked pretty bad. Don't think I'd but one like that for Vette prices. I guess if you order one, and it has orange peel, you're stuck with it unless you specified that up front.
03-12-2015, 09:05 PM
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03-12-2015, 09:17 PM
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Plain and simple, it costs too much and they figure scaling back won't hurt sales, they have lower cost incentives to drive demand, and unfortunately it likely won't be in the form of building better cars. They're tired of being on the hook for five years. Thats all. With that release, they are implying sales are below target, which sounds like BS. If that were true they'd be announcing revenue "misses" in their quarterly results over the last several quarters, I don't follow GM or their guidance all that closely but I seem to recall good results lately.
03-12-2015, 09:25 PM
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Plain and simple, it costs too much and they figure scaling back won't hurt sales, they have lower cost incentives to drive demand, and unfortunately it likely won't be in the form of building better cars. They're tired of being on the hook for five years. Thats all. With that release, they are implying sales are below target, which sounds like BS. If that were true they'd be announcing revenue "misses" in their quarterly results over the last several quarters, I don't follow GM or their guidance all that closely but I seem to recall good results lately.
03-12-2015, 09:36 PM
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Over the decades car companies have jumped their warranties all over the place. I believe Chrysler was the first with a 50,000 mile and it was a huge deal back then as I recall. Other companies jumped on the bandwagon, then scaled back as costs and market pressures dictated. The trend will reverse at some point probably.
Seems like the jumping around is still going on, which is just the free market at work. Except, of course, GM or anybody else that was bailed out with taxpayer money is not operating in the free market.
Not that I'm trying to defend Obama Motors. I worked there from '77-'81 and it was a joke then, and is even a bigger joke now.
Seems like the jumping around is still going on, which is just the free market at work. Except, of course, GM or anybody else that was bailed out with taxpayer money is not operating in the free market.
Not that I'm trying to defend Obama Motors. I worked there from '77-'81 and it was a joke then, and is even a bigger joke now.
03-12-2015, 09:36 PM
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Agreed, however while I like the looks of the C7, the cabin feels like a tight squeeze in comparison. I'm just over 6'3" and the seating position seems like it would get a little cramped on a long drive.
That probably wouldn't stop me from getting one, but...if I had the chance to buy a C7 Z06 vs. a C6 ZR1...that would be a majorly tough decision. ...I just don't know which way I'd go. I'd probably buy the ZR1 if it were less expensive.
By the time I'm able to afford either, though, I will probably be in the market for a C8...which undoubtedly will steal all hearts if it looks anything like in the concept images.
That probably wouldn't stop me from getting one, but...if I had the chance to buy a C7 Z06 vs. a C6 ZR1...that would be a majorly tough decision. ...I just don't know which way I'd go. I'd probably buy the ZR1 if it were less expensive.
By the time I'm able to afford either, though, I will probably be in the market for a C8...which undoubtedly will steal all hearts if it looks anything like in the concept images.
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03-13-2015, 12:14 AM
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To add, looks like the Z07 is not all that is cracked up to be, and the Nismo in fact almost 2 seconds faster around Willow springs*. So even with all the new tech thrown at the C-7 in the Z07, it's still not getting the job done correctly.
*Base C-7, verses the base GT-R, is around 2 second slower around Top gears test track as well.
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03-13-2015, 12:31 AM
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Yes, between the electronic diff, the magnetic ride suspension, and the valve fouling problems due to the direct injection, All are going to be problems before the 100K mark, and would eat GM alive down the road having to replace such for free.
To add, looks like the Z07 is not all that is cracked up to be, and the Nismo in fact almost 2 seconds faster around Willow springs*. So even with all the new tech thrown at the C-7 in the Z07, it's still not getting the job done correctly.
*Base C-7, verses the base GT-R, is around 2 second slower around Top gears test track as well.
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs. 2015 Nissan GT-R Nismo! - Head 2 Head Ep. 62 - YouTube
To add, looks like the Z07 is not all that is cracked up to be, and the Nismo in fact almost 2 seconds faster around Willow springs*. So even with all the new tech thrown at the C-7 in the Z07, it's still not getting the job done correctly.
*Base C-7, verses the base GT-R, is around 2 second slower around Top gears test track as well.
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs. 2015 Nissan GT-R Nismo! - Head 2 Head Ep. 62 - YouTube
03-13-2015, 01:17 AM
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That's a cool video, it didn't look like he was accelerating as hard with the Z. That car is soooo bad a$$, I love the C6, but that C7Z is the bomb.
03-13-2015, 01:33 AM
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Doesn't really matter to me. Only Gm product I've bpught in the last 20 yrs is my 13'Gs last yr.. I'd never buy a Gm car as my daily driver. To me the majority of there cars are a POS and not reliable as foreign makers. Many will argue this but I've had GM in the past with problems and just after about 36k on them little things start to go. I've now bought all foreign for daily drives and they always been great since day one and with miles on them seem like the day I bought them...
Gm can keep there worthless cars. Only car they should make is the corvette.
Gm can keep there worthless cars. Only car they should make is the corvette.
03-13-2015, 07:02 AM
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We purchased a little Buick Encore a few years ago and when I looked at the that little 1.4 turbo under the hood, the first words I said to my wife is that engine won't ever see 200k miles.
Power train warranties are probably not where one would want to start to save money.I mean,in the real world,how often does an engine or tranny blow up these days when it has not been messes with buy the aftermarket?In which case it's not covered anyway!
