The 160* Thermostat
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The 160* Thermostat
Yeah, I know...................
http://www.dewitts.com/download/cooling.pdf
Given the information above, why do so many people buy and install 160* thermostats for otherwise stock Corvettes?
Totally get it if substantial mods like S/C and/or H/C packages are being done along with other upgrades to the cooling system for the track.
I'm talking doing this for a Corvette that will NEVER see the track nor ever be modded other than maybe a tune.
THERMOSTAT: Probably the most misunderstood component in the cooling system, the thermostat has absolutely nothing to do with controlling maximum engine operating temperature. Period. What does it do? At cold start, it blocks the flow of coolant out of the engine until the trapped coolant reaches the thermostat’s rated temperature, at which point it opens and permits coolant to begin circulating. This aids rapid warm up, which reduces cylinder bore and piston-ring wear by bringing the engine up to operating temperature relatively quickly. Once it’s open, it modulates the flow of coolant through its calibrated restriction so coolant temperature never drops below its rated opening point, assuming the cooling system is efficient enough to cool the engine down to that level. In most cars, it’s essentially wide open all the time, and only the heat transfer efficiency of the radiator and the airflow through the radiator determine the engine’s maximum operating temperature.
If you have a 180º thermostat and your engine operates at 220º, changing to a 160º thermostat won’t change your operating temperature one bit – you need more radiator, more airflow, or both, to reduce operating temperature.
If you have an extremely efficient cooling system with more heat-rejection capability than your engine needs (runs at 180º with a 180º thermostat), changing to a 160º thermostat may result in reducing your operating temperature to 160º, but this is rare except in cold weather. Furthermore, 160º is too cold; OEM testing has proven that the rate of cylinder bore and piston-ring wear at 160º is double the wear rate at 180º, and a coolant temperature of 160º won’t let the oil in the pan get hot enough to boil off condensed moisture and blow-by contaminants, which then remain in suspension and accelerate the formation of acidic sludge. 160º thermostats were specified in the 1930s for the old alcohol-based antifreezes, which would boil off and evaporate at 185º; there’s no other reason for them.
“Balanced-Flow” thermostats like Robertshaw makes (also sold by Mr.Gasket with their name on them) are calibrated much more accurately than conventional parts-store thermostats, and if they fail, they do so in the open position. Conventional thermostats fail closed, which can cause a lot of engine damage in a big hurry if you don’t spot the sudden temperature rise.
If you have a 180º thermostat and your engine operates at 220º, changing to a 160º thermostat won’t change your operating temperature one bit – you need more radiator, more airflow, or both, to reduce operating temperature.
If you have an extremely efficient cooling system with more heat-rejection capability than your engine needs (runs at 180º with a 180º thermostat), changing to a 160º thermostat may result in reducing your operating temperature to 160º, but this is rare except in cold weather. Furthermore, 160º is too cold; OEM testing has proven that the rate of cylinder bore and piston-ring wear at 160º is double the wear rate at 180º, and a coolant temperature of 160º won’t let the oil in the pan get hot enough to boil off condensed moisture and blow-by contaminants, which then remain in suspension and accelerate the formation of acidic sludge. 160º thermostats were specified in the 1930s for the old alcohol-based antifreezes, which would boil off and evaporate at 185º; there’s no other reason for them.
“Balanced-Flow” thermostats like Robertshaw makes (also sold by Mr.Gasket with their name on them) are calibrated much more accurately than conventional parts-store thermostats, and if they fail, they do so in the open position. Conventional thermostats fail closed, which can cause a lot of engine damage in a big hurry if you don’t spot the sudden temperature rise.
Given the information above, why do so many people buy and install 160* thermostats for otherwise stock Corvettes?
Totally get it if substantial mods like S/C and/or H/C packages are being done along with other upgrades to the cooling system for the track.
I'm talking doing this for a Corvette that will NEVER see the track nor ever be modded other than maybe a tune.
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Yeah, I know...................
http://www.dewitts.com/download/cooling.pdf
Given the information above, why do so many people buy and install 160* thermostats for otherwise stock Corvettes?
Totally get it if substantial mods like S/C and/or H/C packages are being done along with other upgrades to the cooling system for the track.
I'm talking doing this for a Corvette that will NEVER see the track nor ever be modded other than maybe a tune.
http://www.dewitts.com/download/cooling.pdf
Given the information above, why do so many people buy and install 160* thermostats for otherwise stock Corvettes?
Totally get it if substantial mods like S/C and/or H/C packages are being done along with other upgrades to the cooling system for the track.
I'm talking doing this for a Corvette that will NEVER see the track nor ever be modded other than maybe a tune.
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Please give me a detailed explanation that disproves the OP.
Callaway, SLP or Lingenfelter are modifying things that necessitate a modification to the cooling system and/or to the tune.
Are you telling me that for an otherwise stock car (i.e. no internal engine modifications) that putting a 160* thermostat is beneficial?
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Why does my car run FASTER ET and higher MPH at the drag strip if I'm leaving the starting line at 150 deg. as opposed to 190... @ 190 I always run slower #s
I'm not an engineer, just a drag racer, and run the car so I get my best ET and that is at 150 deg.
I'm not an engineer, just a drag racer, and run the car so I get my best ET and that is at 150 deg.
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I'm talking a street-driven Corvette that is possibly even a daily driver.
What benefit would 160* tstat be for a Corvette with no internal engine modifications?
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If you aren't tracking your car where you worry about the timing being pulled, you don't need a 160* stat, the factory 190* is fine.
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He gets that, JP; review his post: "I'm talking doing this for a Corvette that will NEVER see the track nor ever be modded other than maybe a tune."
If you aren't tracking your car where you worry about the timing being pulled, you don't need a 160* stat, the factory 190* is fine.
If you aren't tracking your car where you worry about the timing being pulled, you don't need a 160* stat, the factory 190* is fine.
Must be all that practice on PR&C
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How is it incorrect?
Please give me a detailed explanation that disproves the OP.
Callaway, SLP or Lingenfelter are modifying things that necessitate a modification to the cooling system and/or to the tune.
Are you telling me that for an otherwise stock car (i.e. no internal engine modifications) that putting a 160* thermostat is beneficial?
Please give me a detailed explanation that disproves the OP.
Callaway, SLP or Lingenfelter are modifying things that necessitate a modification to the cooling system and/or to the tune.
Are you telling me that for an otherwise stock car (i.e. no internal engine modifications) that putting a 160* thermostat is beneficial?
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I asked for your thoughts not someone else's.
How is a 160* tstat on an otherwise stock C6 beneficial?
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I find any "explanation" or "counterargument" from a person who sells a product by touting it's benefits counter to solid evidence to the contrary to be specious at best.
I asked for your thoughts not someone else's.
How is a 160* tstat on an otherwise stock C6 beneficial?
I asked for your thoughts not someone else's.
How is a 160* tstat on an otherwise stock C6 beneficial?
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I still think the quote from link I posted disputes everything you just said above. A t-stat alone will not lower your coolant temps.
From the OP link:
the thermostat has absolutely nothing to do with controlling maximum engine operating temperature. Period. What does it do? At cold start, it blocks the flow of coolant out of the engine until the trapped coolant reaches the thermostat’s rated temperature, at which point it opens and permits coolant to begin circulating. This aids rapid warm up, which reduces cylinder bore and piston-ring wear by bringing the engine up to operating temperature relatively quickly
So tell me, why would I want to add a 160* t-stat to an otherwise stock car?
Seems to me that I would be shortening the lifecycle of my LS3
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I'd love to see dyno results with the stock t-stat and with a 160* t-stat with no other changes. This gets discussed a lot here - and I agree that putting a cooler t-stat on an otherwise stock car is useless - but I've never seen objective (real dyno results, not a butt dyno) that say a 160* t-stat on an otherwise stock car does anything for performance.
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This gets discussed a lot here - and I agree that putting a cooler t-stat on an otherwise stock car is useless - but I've never seen objective (real dyno results, not a butt dyno) that say a 160* t-stat on an otherwise stock car does anything for performance.
My larger concern is how such a useless mod (again, on an otherwise stock car) can shorten the lifecycle of your Vette.
Some would argue that GM actually wants to shorten the life of your Vette with the stock t-stat
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I have a '69 Ford Bronco built for serious rock crawling. I occasionally frequent an Early Bronco forum. Those things were notorious for overheating. It's funny how many people there put a 160* t-stat in thinking it'll make the vehicle run cooler. They're always disappointed and shocked when they find out it doesn't.