Performance Driving observations/experience
04-16-2013, 01:40 PM
#21
Racer
The 1521 compound can be Auto X and is a great daily driver pad, if you want more bite and can put up with dust and noise than the AX6 is the best for Auto X. Give me a call at 216-780-8825 I will be happy to talk with you.
The Carbotech™ 1521™ is our high performance street compound. The 1521™ compound is known for its release and modulation, along with unmatched rotor friendliness. 1521™ is also a very low dusting and low noise compound with an excellent initial bite. This compound's excellent linear torque production provides incredible braking force without ABS intervention. Carbotech™ 1521™ operating range starts out at ambient and goes up to 800°F (426°C+). 1521™ is suitable for ALL street cars, perfect for your tow vehicle or fleet vehicle. Carbotech™ 1521™ is NOT recommended for ANY track use.
The AX6™ is specifically engineered for Autocross applications. A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range of 50°F to 1100°F + (10°C to 593°C+). The advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial bite, high coefficient of friction at lower temperatures along with very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. AX6™ offers high fade resistance, rotor friendliness at all temperatures and excellent cold stopping power. As a result, AX6™ is an excellent choice for Autocross and has gained tremendous popularity with SCCA Prosolo/Solo2 competitors for its outstanding all around performance. Many drivers use the AX6™ for street driving as well, even though Carbotech™ doesn't recommend street driving with AX6™ due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.
1521 F&R $276 less 5%.
AX6 F&R $320 less 5%.
The Carbotech™ 1521™ is our high performance street compound. The 1521™ compound is known for its release and modulation, along with unmatched rotor friendliness. 1521™ is also a very low dusting and low noise compound with an excellent initial bite. This compound's excellent linear torque production provides incredible braking force without ABS intervention. Carbotech™ 1521™ operating range starts out at ambient and goes up to 800°F (426°C+). 1521™ is suitable for ALL street cars, perfect for your tow vehicle or fleet vehicle. Carbotech™ 1521™ is NOT recommended for ANY track use.
The AX6™ is specifically engineered for Autocross applications. A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range of 50°F to 1100°F + (10°C to 593°C+). The advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial bite, high coefficient of friction at lower temperatures along with very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. AX6™ offers high fade resistance, rotor friendliness at all temperatures and excellent cold stopping power. As a result, AX6™ is an excellent choice for Autocross and has gained tremendous popularity with SCCA Prosolo/Solo2 competitors for its outstanding all around performance. Many drivers use the AX6™ for street driving as well, even though Carbotech™ doesn't recommend street driving with AX6™ due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.
1521 F&R $276 less 5%.
AX6 F&R $320 less 5%.
04-16-2013, 01:45 PM
#22
Race Director
Hey Will
I got your PM. We walked around to try and find where you were parked, but you were hiding!!
It was great to meet you and your buddy and glad to hear you really had a good time!!
Bob
I got your PM. We walked around to try and find where you were parked, but you were hiding!!
It was great to meet you and your buddy and glad to hear you really had a good time!!
Bob
04-17-2013, 09:55 AM
#24
Race Director
Huh???????????????
I've been running the stock brakes on my (Z06) car since I got it 6 years ago - and they're FANTASTIC!!!!
Many really hardcore track hounds that have a C5 or base C6 (essentially the same brakes) that I run events with have the stock brakes, and they work great!!!
If you're talking about running them hard on the track, all you need is better fluid and pads and you're ready to go - the stock brakes will work great!!!
The stock rotors on the Z51 with the holes in them are for bling only. The holes are focus points for cracks to occur. But you can easily upgrade rotors.
Overall, for the street, we've got OUTSTANDING brakes on all models of the Vette!!
Bob
04-17-2013, 09:59 AM
#25
Team Owner
:Confused:Huh???????????????
I've been running the stock brakes on my (Z06) car since I got it 6 years ago - and they're FANTASTIC!!!!
Many really hardcore track hounds that have a C5 or base C6 (essentially the same brakes) that I run events with have the stock brakes, and they work great!!!
If you're talking about running them hard on the track, all you need is better fluid and pads and you're ready to go - the stock brakes will work great!!!
The stock rotors on the Z51 with the holes in them are for bling only. The holes are focus points for cracks to occur. But you can easily upgrade rotors.
Overall, for the street, we've got OUTSTANDING brakes on all models of the Vette!!
Bob
I've been running the stock brakes on my (Z06) car since I got it 6 years ago - and they're FANTASTIC!!!!
Many really hardcore track hounds that have a C5 or base C6 (essentially the same brakes) that I run events with have the stock brakes, and they work great!!!
If you're talking about running them hard on the track, all you need is better fluid and pads and you're ready to go - the stock brakes will work great!!!
The stock rotors on the Z51 with the holes in them are for bling only. The holes are focus points for cracks to occur. But you can easily upgrade rotors.
Overall, for the street, we've got OUTSTANDING brakes on all models of the Vette!!
Bob
Padlets indeed.
04-17-2013, 10:11 AM
#26
Burning Brakes
Good to see people taking their vette's out and "using" them for what they were intended for. I started the same way but with a C5Z and led me to sell the car since it was mostly stock for a caged, race prepped C5Z to finish my HPDE progression into wheel to wheel racing. I had an absolute blast doing it!
Nasa also has a great HPDE program and many regions around the nation. That's what I used to get into W2W racing. NARRA is another up and coming organization that is worth looking into as well. But like others have said, need to start looking into safety mods (harness, helmet, seat, etc.). Goodluck and have fun!
Nasa also has a great HPDE program and many regions around the nation. That's what I used to get into W2W racing. NARRA is another up and coming organization that is worth looking into as well. But like others have said, need to start looking into safety mods (harness, helmet, seat, etc.). Goodluck and have fun!
04-17-2013, 10:34 AM
#28
Race Director
The one-piece pads don't stop me any better than padlets do.
Last week at Daytona I had one-piece up front and padlets for the rear. I ran the fronts down to absolute min thickness, but got some new front one-piece last week for a great price. The rear padlets will last a few more track events.
I have no problems at all running either padlets or single pads - I find it a lot quicker and easier to pop in new padlets than a one piece, and I remove the caliper to replace either type. With padlets I can leave the spring in and just push the padlet down to compress the spring and pop the padlet in place. With one-piece, I usually need to remove the spring, then I find it a PITA when reinstalling it to get the little fingers over the pad and then up over the backing plate so the spring will slide all the way back in place. However, you can probably run the one-piece without the springs and won't have problems.
Here's a picture of my caliper with the one-piece installed that I ran last week. It is an early Carbotech XP12 that doesn't have the two center holes drilled, so I had to pull the center pad pin bolts in order to install the pad. You can see one of the new pads (also CT XP12) leaning against the wheel, and you can see it has the holes drilled in it so I can reinstall my 2 center pad pin bolts:
Bottom line - I run padlets or one-piece. I like 'em both!!!
Bob
04-17-2013, 12:30 PM
#29
Team Owner
If you want to just run some high speeds, then running at Talladega each May, might be an option. 160+ is doable. vettes4vets.org
04-17-2013, 02:24 PM
#30
Racer
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Bay Area CA
Posts: 389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Huh???????????????I've been running the stock brakes on my (Z06) car since I got it 6 years ago - and they're FANTASTIC!!!!
Many really hardcore track hounds that have a C5 or base C6 (essentially the same brakes) that I run events with have the stock brakes, and they work great!!!
If you're talking about running them hard on the track, all you need is better fluid and pads and you're ready to go - the stock brakes will work great!!!
The stock rotors on the Z51 with the holes in them are for bling only. The holes are focus points for cracks to occur. But you can easily upgrade rotors.
Overall, for the street, we've got OUTSTANDING brakes on all models of the Vette!!
Bob
04-17-2013, 03:04 PM
#31
Race Director
Me too!!!
As I said in my post above:
I had a 2005 (all they made that year was a base) and the brakes were really good.
Like I also said in my post above:
Bob
As I said in my post above:
Many really hardcore track hounds that have a C5 or base C6 (essentially the same brakes) that I run events with have the stock brakes, and they work great!!!
Like I also said in my post above:
Overall, for the street, we've got OUTSTANDING brakes on all models of the Vette!!
04-17-2013, 07:55 PM
#33
Race Director
Most track rats who have a Z51 ditch the larger rotors and go with base C6/C5 size.
There just aren't many options available in the larger Z51 size fitment.
The OE Z51 (and Z06) rotors with all those holes in them are no good for seriously tracking the car. The holes are purely for bling - and the holes are stress points where cracks develop.
So.....rather than "upgrade" to Z51 rotors, if you're going to do a lot of time on the track you'd do better to stick with base size rotors. If you're doing a lot of tracking of a Z51 you might rather go down to base C6/C5 size so your consumables are much easier to acquire.
Bob
There just aren't many options available in the larger Z51 size fitment.
The OE Z51 (and Z06) rotors with all those holes in them are no good for seriously tracking the car. The holes are purely for bling - and the holes are stress points where cracks develop.
So.....rather than "upgrade" to Z51 rotors, if you're going to do a lot of time on the track you'd do better to stick with base size rotors. If you're doing a lot of tracking of a Z51 you might rather go down to base C6/C5 size so your consumables are much easier to acquire.
Bob
04-17-2013, 08:03 PM
#34
Melting Slicks
Member Since: Jul 2010
Location: Tacoma, Wa/Surprise, Az
Posts: 2,847
Received 185 Likes
on
163 Posts
The Z51 rotors and brakes I had on my 08 Z51 worked quite well. I agree with the drilled rotor issue mentioned, but not with the idea of using base model rotors. To increase swept area, there are z51 sized rotors that are slotted or plain. I would try slotted but do recall a lot of race cars use plain.
04-17-2013, 11:58 PM
#35
Instructor
Member Since: Mar 2013
Location: Nashville Tennessee
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Need to double check ...but think there is an auto-x event at the museum BASH event in BG. next week? and another for the Convention in June being held at Nashville Fairgrounds speedway... They just had one there and you are out on the track for most of it.
06-06-2013, 03:45 PM
#36
Instructor
Thread Starter
One additional observation on HPDE's, if you've never done it before, be VERY careful if it rains (even sprinkles a little). All that dirt and oil on the track makes if slippery quickly. I learned this the hard way at Sebring, cost me a new wheel and tires(which I was going to need anyway) after a wet corner and I couldn't slow down. to avoid hitting another car, went over the curb. Could have been worse.
06-06-2013, 06:53 PM
#37
Race Director
I edited a couple previous posts that had info about the Dec HPDE at Daytona.
The event is co-sponsored by 2 track day organizing groups:
You can sign up for the event through either of those organizations.
I edited the info due to PDG taking over as a co-sponsor from the other group that was mentioned.
Bob
The event is co-sponsored by 2 track day organizing groups:
- An Audi club from Ohio - http://www.audiclubohiovalley.org/pr...ional-speedway
- Performance Driving Group (PDG) - www.performancedrivinggroup.com
You can sign up for the event through either of those organizations.
I edited the info due to PDG taking over as a co-sponsor from the other group that was mentioned.
Bob
06-19-2013, 02:51 AM
#38
Premium Supporting Vendor
Another thought is, if you not willing to pull the trigger, or want to learn more, just about every one of the places will allow you to watch, take pictures, talk with the car owners, etc.
As BEZ06 knows, I've been a spectator to a few events around the Daytona area, and ONE DAY my day job will NOT conflict with track days, and I'll get mine out there to play some.
Finally, I can't say enough about driving schools too. I'm a MUCH smoother (and safer/faster/intelligent) driver since I attended the 3 day school at Spring Mountain. It was time and money well spent.
I grew up in the mountains of WV, so I had a lot of curvy road experience (both cycles and auto), now it makes sense about what worked and what didn't as a teenager
As BEZ06 knows, I've been a spectator to a few events around the Daytona area, and ONE DAY my day job will NOT conflict with track days, and I'll get mine out there to play some.
Finally, I can't say enough about driving schools too. I'm a MUCH smoother (and safer/faster/intelligent) driver since I attended the 3 day school at Spring Mountain. It was time and money well spent.
I grew up in the mountains of WV, so I had a lot of curvy road experience (both cycles and auto), now it makes sense about what worked and what didn't as a teenager
like we always say, start with the driver, then improve the car!
__________________
Victor Resendiz
Spring Mountain Motor Resort and Country Club
Ron Fellows Performance Driving School
The Official Performance Driving School Of Corvette
www.racespringmountain.com
victor@racespringmountain.com
800-391-6891
Victor Resendiz
Spring Mountain Motor Resort and Country Club
Ron Fellows Performance Driving School
The Official Performance Driving School Of Corvette
www.racespringmountain.com
victor@racespringmountain.com
800-391-6891
03-24-2017, 10:21 PM
#39
OP: Your post was "Deja Vu" all over again. I was in the Novice/Instructor Group that day and had the same result. Did the Sebring Short Course and am going back to Daytona School Course early April. Took advantage of a Tire Rack Track Night in America event at Atlanta Motorsports Park after Daytona. Earlier experience made for a much enjoyed Atlanta. TRTNA: Recommend.