Tires and nitrogen
#1
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Tires and nitrogen
Have G2 Goodyears on my Z and had the tires filled with nitrogen.
Tire pressure 32# when starting out and parked in the shade at a car show for about 6 hrs no problems. After 15 minutes of driving home the fronts psi were 40/42 rears were 38/38. Problem?????
Tire pressure 32# when starting out and parked in the shade at a car show for about 6 hrs no problems. After 15 minutes of driving home the fronts psi were 40/42 rears were 38/38. Problem?????
#3
Drifting
my pressure increases 2 lbs. from normal to being heated up when driven. your 8 lbs appear to be excessive, maybe defective sensors ?, check them with a tire gauge to be sure on your DIC readings.
#4
Le Mans Master
Suggest 26/28 psi when cold. Nitrogen doesn't bleed off like air which apparently means they gain psi when warm at a rate higher than air. Don't know why the difference between the fronts and rears though. Use a gauge you can trust and set them lower and then check again when warmed up.
#9
Wil Cooksey #256
that's my $0.02 worth
#10
Le Mans Master
And if you want to know how Nitrogen or Air reacts to Temp, the pressure rise is directly proportional to the ratio of the absolute temperatures. At room temp, the absolute temp is 70 + 460 = 530 Rankine. Now let's heat it up to 100 degrees F, the new temp is 100 + 460 = 560 Rankine. If the room temp pressure is 30 psig, the absolute pressure is 30 + 14.7 = 44.7 psia. The new pressure will be (560/530) x 44.7 = 47.2 psia or 32.5 psig. So you can see the pressure rose by 2.5 psi when the bulk temp of the air inside the tire went from 70 to 100 degrees F.
Last edited by glennhl; 06-10-2013 at 10:32 PM.
#11
Le Mans Master
I once paid for lifetime nitrogen adjustments from my local Chevy dealership. The first time I need more nitrogen was first car event with car club in the Spring. The problem was, it was Sunday and the dealership was closed. Now I just have a compressor in my garage and maintain the tires at the appropriate psi. No more nitrogen
#13
Team Owner
#14
Team Owner
#15
Agree with glennhl Post #10.
And keeep in mind that air is 78% nitrogen anyway.
And keeep in mind that air is 78% nitrogen anyway.
#18
The benefits of nitrogen are (1) its lack of moisture, which can corrode sensors, and (2) the molecules of nitrogen are larger than air, which is about 75% nitrogen, thereby leading to less loss of air over time.
Expansion and contraction follow the ideal gas law.
#19
Safety Car
Whether it is nitrogen or air, your pressure increase does seem a excessive for what you describe.
If the pressure increase is real, the tires/rims are getting much hotter, causing the gas to expand.
Is the wheel rim "hot"? If not, I would have the sensors checked, and also compare my tire pressure gauge to another one.
Then, if the wheel rims are pretty hot, I would check to find out why. Brakes dragging (possibly, since all 4 wheels are reading high), unusually sunny/hot black asphalt road surface, spirited driving, etc.
#20
Le Mans Master
Now to answer the OP's question - yes, you have a problem. 8 pounds is way too much change. The sensors don't communicate continously when not rotating so you can have some difference between actual pressure and DIC reading but after 6 hours the pressure should be correct and it should be correct when driving. First step to resolving the issue is to duplicate and verify it with an independent gauge reading. Also press the valve and let a small amount of air out and see if it you get fog or water droplets. If you paid for the snake-oil nitrogen, you might want to go back and tell them they have a problem. Give them the option of making your tires not change pressure with temperature as the nitrogen scammers claim or giving you your money back. I'm sure they will opt for the latter because the former is physically impossible.