Mild 2 Wild Getting Blamed for Computor Failures
10-19-2013, 09:52 AM
#42
Le Mans Master
They did and put in a new fuse in place of the M2W. They said they could talk to the car now, so it had to be the issue. However, the first time they had it which was last week, they could talk to the car, so if the M2W was the culprit, wouldn't it have been the issue last week too? They said they could plug the M2W back in and everything went south again. When they put the new fuse back in, they could talk with the car again. But the failed componets still have to be replaced. I really think that whatever is shorting out my car also shorted out the M2W the second time around and that's why they couldn't talk to my car the second time, but could the first. But, what I think will have no bearing on the outcome I'm sure.
10-19-2013, 10:25 AM
#43
Le Mans Master
I'm following this thread with much interest, as are others.
If in fact, there is definitive evidence, or even a reasonable certainty, that the M2W device was actually responsible for this issue, I'll be removing mine, and wiring in a simple SPDT dead pedal switch.
At this time, I still believe that the M2W device is being used as a scape goat by the dealer.
If in fact, there is definitive evidence, or even a reasonable certainty, that the M2W device was actually responsible for this issue, I'll be removing mine, and wiring in a simple SPDT dead pedal switch.
At this time, I still believe that the M2W device is being used as a scape goat by the dealer.
10-19-2013, 12:33 PM
#46
Le Mans Master
After seeing this thread this morning I contacted the Mfg this morning and this is their response:
From the Manufacture: We can tell you that with over 30,000 units in use as far back as 2006 that these claims are ridiculous. Not only is mild2wild installed by over 30 GM dealers on new deliveries but was built after consulting with the GM engineer had that designed the Z06 exhaust back in 2006. Hooking up to a central ground cannot cause any computer failures and even if somehow there was a short mild2wild is fuse protected. All mild2wild does is complete or disconnect the 12v traveling to the exhaust circuit. It’s sad that GM has techs that clearly don’t know what they are doing and look to blame any aftermarket part. If you like I would be happy to speak to the service manager.
From the Manufacture: We can tell you that with over 30,000 units in use as far back as 2006 that these claims are ridiculous. Not only is mild2wild installed by over 30 GM dealers on new deliveries but was built after consulting with the GM engineer had that designed the Z06 exhaust back in 2006. Hooking up to a central ground cannot cause any computer failures and even if somehow there was a short mild2wild is fuse protected. All mild2wild does is complete or disconnect the 12v traveling to the exhaust circuit. It’s sad that GM has techs that clearly don’t know what they are doing and look to blame any aftermarket part. If you like I would be happy to speak to the service manager.
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10-19-2013, 12:42 PM
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After seeing this thread this morning I contacted the Mfg this morning and this is their response:
From the Manufacture: We can tell you that with over 30,000 units in use as far back as 2006 that these claims are ridiculous. Not only is mild2wild installed by over 30 GM dealers on new deliveries but was built after consulting with the GM engineer had that designed the Z06 exhaust back in 2006. Hooking up to a central ground cannot cause any computer failures and even if somehow there was a short mild2wild is fuse protected. All mild2wild does is complete or disconnect the 12v traveling to the exhaust circuit. It’s sad that GM has techs that clearly don’t know what they are doing and look to blame any aftermarket part. If you like I would be happy to speak to the service manager.
From the Manufacture: We can tell you that with over 30,000 units in use as far back as 2006 that these claims are ridiculous. Not only is mild2wild installed by over 30 GM dealers on new deliveries but was built after consulting with the GM engineer had that designed the Z06 exhaust back in 2006. Hooking up to a central ground cannot cause any computer failures and even if somehow there was a short mild2wild is fuse protected. All mild2wild does is complete or disconnect the 12v traveling to the exhaust circuit. It’s sad that GM has techs that clearly don’t know what they are doing and look to blame any aftermarket part. If you like I would be happy to speak to the service manager.
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10-19-2013, 12:55 PM
#48
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That is not right. I doubt it is the M2W. I bought one of the original visor ones from the original vendor back in early 2008. I have used it on my 08 Coupe, 11 GS Vert and 13 GS since. That is about 60k miles. M2W has a fuse that it will blow first.
I'm guessing the dealer's tech screwed something up and is looking for something to blame. I've worked around the F16 for 20 years (not as an electrician though) and loose wires will cause havoc. And if you do
"best guess" troubleshooting you can screw up the system more.
10-19-2013, 01:05 PM
#49
Le Mans Master
After seeing this thread this morning I contacted the Mfg this morning and this is their response:
From the Manufacture: We can tell you that with over 30,000 units in use as far back as 2006 that these claims are ridiculous. Not only is mild2wild installed by over 30 GM dealers on new deliveries but was built after consulting with the GM engineer had that designed the Z06 exhaust back in 2006. Hooking up to a central ground cannot cause any computer failures and even if somehow there was a short mild2wild is fuse protected. All mild2wild does is complete or disconnect the 12v traveling to the exhaust circuit. It’s sad that GM has techs that clearly don’t know what they are doing and look to blame any aftermarket part. If you like I would be happy to speak to the service manager.
From the Manufacture: We can tell you that with over 30,000 units in use as far back as 2006 that these claims are ridiculous. Not only is mild2wild installed by over 30 GM dealers on new deliveries but was built after consulting with the GM engineer had that designed the Z06 exhaust back in 2006. Hooking up to a central ground cannot cause any computer failures and even if somehow there was a short mild2wild is fuse protected. All mild2wild does is complete or disconnect the 12v traveling to the exhaust circuit. It’s sad that GM has techs that clearly don’t know what they are doing and look to blame any aftermarket part. If you like I would be happy to speak to the service manager.
OUTSTANDING! Without doubt, the most significant post so far, and certain to be appreciated by the OP.
10-20-2013, 08:42 PM
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Interesting!
It is interesting that GM and their service representatives will actually subscribe and deliberately deliver MISinformation to individuals and even GO ALONG with dealerships or stealerships that practice this philosphy. I really don't understand why GM as big as it is would want to do this, what do they have to gain? Maybe I'm missing something, but maybe GM thinks it is a GOOD business model. Am I missing something? 
10-20-2013, 08:48 PM
#51
As we are all aware, the electronics in these cars can be very challenging. I have heard similar issues when using the window valets that plug into diagnosis port.
I'm not even sure the window valets are still being sold?
I'm not even sure the window valets are still being sold?
10-20-2013, 08:55 PM
#52
Melting Slicks
The manufacturer of the M2W is on the thread.. That's good. The dealer's claim is total BS. I'm in EE and the M2W is a simple relay circuit and is fuse protected. I really don't see how any short in the M2W circuitry or connecting wiring could cause any more than a blown fuse and NPP open condition. Don't give into this and have Top Flight make the connection so the M2W manufacturer can speak directly to the dealer on your behalf. Don't take this lying down.
10-20-2013, 09:02 PM
#53
Le Mans Master
I don't know a thing about the Mild2Wild unit, but it's my opinion that virtually all the mechanics who work on cars, and especially at the dealers, do not know how to diagnose anything. If there's not a thrown code, there's no problem, regardless of how the car is running. But if there's not a sensor in the problem area, it can't throw a code.
Maybe cars have gotten too complicated for mechanics to work on. Or at least those who are willing to work on a car for blue collar wages.
Maybe cars have gotten too complicated for mechanics to work on. Or at least those who are willing to work on a car for blue collar wages.
10-21-2013, 07:56 AM
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Drifting
I don't know a thing about the Mild2Wild unit, but it's my opinion that virtually all the mechanics who work on cars, and especially at the dealers, do not know how to diagnose anything. If there's not a thrown code, there's no problem, regardless of how the car is running. But if there's not a sensor in the problem area, it can't throw a code.
Maybe cars have gotten too complicated for mechanics to work on. Or at least those who are willing to work on a car for blue collar wages.
Maybe cars have gotten too complicated for mechanics to work on. Or at least those who are willing to work on a car for blue collar wages.
10-21-2013, 05:31 PM
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Hmmm!
I don't know a thing about the Mild2Wild unit, but it's my opinion that virtually all the mechanics who work on cars, and especially at the dealers, do not know how to diagnose anything. If there's not a thrown code, there's no problem, regardless of how the car is running. But if there's not a sensor in the problem area, it can't throw a code.
Maybe cars have gotten too complicated for mechanics to work on. Or at least those who are willing to work on a car for blue collar wages.
Maybe cars have gotten too complicated for mechanics to work on. Or at least those who are willing to work on a car for blue collar wages.
I wouldn't make that claim for every mechanic out there but there is some truth to it. My local dealer, who is closing unfortunately , said that is getting to the point where it is almost over the head of most mechanics. Said it will be a real problem in the future if they can not attract young tech savvy people to get into the field. May be one person who does diagnosis and someone else who wrenches.
10-21-2013, 07:06 PM
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I had abs, tics issues on my previous ZR1. Caused me to crash the car while driving down the highway. GM sent engineers who were able to rid the PCM of all evidence. Don't mess around with the malfunctions, it can be very serious when the active handling engage while you are crushing at 65 mph and the car thinks you're out of control.
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10-21-2013, 08:58 PM
#59
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If you run a battery tender, be advised that transient spikes over the grid can cause serious havoc with your car's electronics. I recently had to replace the ECBM in my car because of this. It also took out the tender. I now have a high quality transient suppressor in line to prevent it from happening again.
10-22-2013, 03:05 AM
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To the OP and others who have responded with thoughts and expertise on the electronics of the C6, i want to believe you and the manufacturer statement posted above that the M2W mod couldn't be the culprit, and in my case wish it wasn't i have had a issue with my wiper washers, the washers would only spray intermittently one moment they would work and another they wouldn't, i posted in the C6 tech forum for help last month;
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...-diagnose.html
The dealer couldn't duplicate the prob in there presence,
so i decieded to take things on myself and back track what i modded to the car, i had installed M2W in the fuse box, so researching that the BCM was integral with the floor mounted fuse box i unplugged the
M2W from the NPP fuse postion and left the ground and replaced the fuse, since i did that 2 weeks ago the washers have operated everytime i pressed the button on the stalk
and i check it almost everyday even if im not using the car i turn the IGN on and press the button in the hopes they didn't work so i could eliminate the M2W (because i love the feature) and try to isolate it to the washer systen itself like a bad BCM switch button or loose ground wire.
So at this point the M2W is lying in the footwell disconnected except for the grouind wire and i keep trying the washers hoping they don't work so i can then reconnect it and move on to something else.
On my 80 mile drive home tonite i tried the washers 3 diff times and they worked perfectly, i guess my next step would be is to reconnect the M2W and see what happens.
Im open to any ideas and my posting is not meant to harm the vendor or manufacturer just passing on my experience could it be mearly coincidental or a red herring like a member posted above?
Later today i will go out to the car and try the washers again
it has become part of my daily routine i even spray the windshield first in case no spray comes out i don't want the wipers sweeping on a dry windshield im **** about that.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...-diagnose.html
The dealer couldn't duplicate the prob in there presence,
so i decieded to take things on myself and back track what i modded to the car, i had installed M2W in the fuse box, so researching that the BCM was integral with the floor mounted fuse box i unplugged the
M2W from the NPP fuse postion and left the ground and replaced the fuse, since i did that 2 weeks ago the washers have operated everytime i pressed the button on the stalk
and i check it almost everyday even if im not using the car i turn the IGN on and press the button in the hopes they didn't work so i could eliminate the M2W (because i love the feature) and try to isolate it to the washer systen itself like a bad BCM switch button or loose ground wire.
So at this point the M2W is lying in the footwell disconnected except for the grouind wire and i keep trying the washers hoping they don't work so i can then reconnect it and move on to something else.
On my 80 mile drive home tonite i tried the washers 3 diff times and they worked perfectly, i guess my next step would be is to reconnect the M2W and see what happens.
Im open to any ideas and my posting is not meant to harm the vendor or manufacturer just passing on my experience could it be mearly coincidental or a red herring like a member posted above?
Later today i will go out to the car and try the washers again
it has become part of my daily routine i even spray the windshield first in case no spray comes out i don't want the wipers sweeping on a dry windshield im **** about that.