Originally Posted by 96GS#007

Seriously?

So you don't believe anything in the magazines. You don't want to post in the C7 section. You don't want to believe any of the improvements that GM advertises. So by posting in the C6 section you'll get a better answer?

Go drive one.

Originally Posted by fyreline

Not an entirely good analogy, but if you were driving a Lamborghini Diablo when the Aventador came out, how would you feel?

A. My Diablo is no longer current. I must have an Aventador. Now.
B. I really like my Diablo. It still turns heads. I'll wait a while.
C. My Diablo is trash.
D. The Reventon is "better", but not THAT much better.
E. Dude, are you serious? I'm driving a Lamborghini.

Originally Posted by jimb100

I wouldn't dare post this on the C7 forum but maybe here I can get some honest information without hysteria.

I'm driving an LS3 vert, Z51, NPP, A6. Its my 4th vette. I like vettes. I'll likely get a C7 next year or perhaps wait until the year after, I really like the car.

Normally, I take magazine reviews with a grain of salt as they are known shills for advertisers will say anything to increase circulation but, across the board, reviews of the C7 have been sensational.

I haven't had a chance to drive one yet, dealers around here haven't made demos available.

Its starting to sound like the C6 is just a lump, compared to the C7 and I'm trying to figure out why the disrespect for the C6.

When I compare the two on specs and layout, it doesn't look like there should be an enormous difference. The basic layout of the two cars is the same, front engine, rear transaxle, frame, subframes, leaf springs, shocks. Gas tanks in the same place. Weight is within a couple of percent. I can see where it might have improved steering feel but my car's steering is way better than my C5 and better than LS2 cars I've driven. I think the C6 Z51 has pretty good road feel through the steering and suspension.

Engine output is not different enough to be sensational, the C7 supposedly has improved midrange.

The interior seems to have better quality materials and the seat construction seems much improved but door cards, dash, etc don't seem all that different. I, personally think the seats in my car are comfortable for the street, not so much for the track.

So I'm seeing some nice styling and interior design and an incremental increase in performance specs. Not the game changer the reviewers all seem to be raving about. Its not mid engine, there's no dual clutch.

Again, I'm not dissing the C7 and I'm looking forward to buying one but, based on the layout and specs, where are the revolutionary changes make the C6 barely driveable?

Originally Posted by CasualGuy

I'm out at Spring Mountain for the Ron Fellows school this week, and I've been driving the heck out of the C7 Z51 for the past two days. Coming out of a 2011 Grand Sport coupe (my daily driver), the difference in comfort, performance, and feel was honestly greater than I expected.

The cockpit ergonomics and seating position feel quite a bit different than my GS, and the seats in the C7 are phenomenal and really hold you in place during track work. When I've tracked my GS I hang on to the steering wheel for dear life because I'm sliding all over the place in those seats. The seat ventilation is really nice for keeping cool when you're working up a sweat out on track.

Performance and feel are where the C7 really leaps ahead of my GS. Is it faster in a straight line than my GS? Probably only marginally. But you can definitely feel the torque of the LT1 earlier in the rev band, whereas the LS3 doesn't really come alive until around 4K RPM. On track, it simply feels more solid and tossable. It's extremely easy to steer the C7 with the throttle in a long sweeper, and it's very eager to turn in.

At risk of bringing out the Porsche haters (Why can't we all just get along?), I will say this. I recently did a Porsche Sport Driving School, and after driving the Carrera S and Cayman S I found my GS somewhat lacking. I'm sure it could manage better or comparable numbers to the Porsches in terms of acceleration, grip, etc., but it just didn't feel as planted and as willing to do what the driver asked of it. I didn't have the good fortune to drive the C7 back-to-back with those cars, but driving it on track is a very similar experience to driving a Carrera S--and that's a good thing.

More than anything, this is a testimony to the hard work and skill of the Corvette engineering team. It's validation that you don't have to give the Corvette a revolutionary change like a mid-mounted flat-plane V8 to improve it. Like so many things, the devil is in the details, and driving the C7 tells me the Corvette team has really been sweating those details during the development of this car.

Originally Posted by not08crmanymore

being that the c7 is the latest greatest..base car! As the c6 was 8 years ago,it stands to reason and one would hope for gm's sake that everything about the car is different,faster and better in some way shape or form.some guy is doing 11's bone stock at the drag strip with his c7.good for him,good for gm. Someday,when i get passed the look of the car i may buy a used one.for now,i personally think it's butt ugly and that surpasses any improvement in speed,technology and anything else one might think of. The c6 doesn't look all that different than the c5 in some regards,but it's 100 times better!!

Originally Posted by csf

Old discussion, and to summarize all the previous hundreds of comments here ya go:

1) The C7, honestly, is a much more advanced, improved automobile than the C6. The new owners say so, the magazines say so, and GM says so. And it should be given the basic C6 design is almost 10 years old. For example, the now standard use of aluminum and carbon fiber chassis, which was only available on the C6 Z06 and ZR1, is a big deal.

2) There have been 4 constant reasons a C6 owner says they will not upgrade to a C7: money (cost to change is too high) , appearance (the exterior design is considered not attractive), quality ( many of these early C7's seem plagued by many QC issues), or fit (the C7 seems smaller and a tighter fit to larger drivers) . Ironically, performance is usually not a main issue.



3) C7 owners now trash the C6, C6 owners now trash the C7, everyone still trashes Porsche.

If you like the looks, have the money, fit, and don't mind some initial quality issues the C7 is a major win. But if any of these are a problem, the C6, in any of its forms, is still pretty damn good.

Originally Posted by hawkgfr

The c7 has improvements over the c6 but it for sure doesn't look better lol...In fact it isn't even really pretty. It really needs some dental and some *** work to make your knees weak like the c5&6 still does.

I've purchased four c6's but there will be no c7 until the *** is fixed. And yes beauty is subjective but someone here thinks she's hot...

The c7 forum is very entertaining though...lol I'm guessing the c6 owners that moved up appreciates the c6 still and are more objective than most of the newbies c7 guys up there who might rank high on the retard scale. They make Porsche guys seem normal.

Originally Posted by csf

Old discussion, and to summarize all the previous hundreds of comments here ya go:

1) The C7, honestly, is a much more advanced, improved automobile than the C6. The new owners say so, the magazines say so, and GM says so. And it should be given the basic C6 design is almost 10 years old. For example, the now standard use of aluminum and carbon fiber chassis, which was only available on the C6 Z06 and ZR1, is a big deal.

2) There have been 4 constant reasons a C6 owner says they will not upgrade to a C7: money (cost to change is too high) , appearance (the exterior design is considered not attractive), quality ( many of these early C7's seem plagued by many QC issues), or fit (the C7 seems smaller and a tighter fit to larger drivers) . Ironically, performance is usually not a main issue.

3) C7 owners now trash the C6, C6 owners now trash the C7, everyone still trashes Porsche.

If you like the looks, have the money, fit, and don't mind some initial quality issues the C7 is a major win. But if any of these are a problem, the C6, in any of its forms, is still pretty damn good.

Originally Posted by Jefff1

Our original intent was to see which color combo we would like to order for a new C7 vert buttttt something happened...we came away liking the C6 GS vert better than anything else....Is the new C7 a better overall Vette? I'm sure it probably is....but there just wasn't anything that made us feel we have to have this car.....We liked the color Supersonic Blue...look and stance of the GS so the search began....In October Corvette Mike of New England just received a sharp 2011GS 3LT Vert with 2252 miles that needed a new WNY home....we're very happy new members of the Vette community and very thankful on this special day of Thanksgiving....