C6 chase and crash in L.A. on Friday night
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Wow! Without question the Corvette driver was an idiot, endangering others and breaking the law but I question the need to shoot and kill the person. Immediately after the accident the driver is out of the car....he's no longer driving a 3,000+ lb "lethal weapon." It did not appear he possessed any other weapon. I can't understand, at that point, how the cops felt justified to shoot and kill the person....an unarmed person (likely injured) standing and/or making a half-hearted attempt to flee on foot. At that point the man didn't seem like a threat where deadly force would be warranted (especially considering the police had overwhelming manpower that could have easily subdued the unarmed man). I'm sure they'll clear the shooter(s) but it seems like too much adrenalin, pissed off cops and a failure to follow proper protocol.
The Corvette driver was obviously a fool and deserved to suffer the legal consequences of his actions. That said it's still sad to see someone needlessly shot and killed.
The Corvette driver was obviously a fool and deserved to suffer the legal consequences of his actions. That said it's still sad to see someone needlessly shot and killed.
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I agree, he didn't need to be killed.
#23
Melting Slicks
At the end of the day this guy lost his life, unnecessarily in my opinion...you guys can talk karma all day or the fact that this man put innocent people at risk and for that I believe he deserves jail time...BUT that does not mean a proffesional law enforcement officer who the general public depends on to do right has the right to take someone's life unnecessarily...if you think a man walking around his car coming towards you before running away while you have your gun drawn and aimed at him with 15 other patrol cars doing the same thing behind you is a threat all I can say is wow...I know law enforcement is a difficult occupation...and I know it's hard to control adrenaline and emotions when on a high speed chase...but damn this is hard to watch.
Last edited by C6ROLLER; 12-14-2013 at 07:57 PM.
#24
Melting Slicks
Oh and everyone who judges this guy and says he's a waist of a life shouldn't, you don't know his story...he could be a war veteran hero who just lost his family in an accident and had a mental breakdown...pretty shallow of you guys...
#25
Safety Car
Wow! Without question the Corvette driver was an idiot, endangering others and breaking the law but I question the need to shoot and kill the person. Immediately after the accident the driver is out of the car....he's no longer driving a 3,000+ lb "lethal weapon." It did not appear he possessed any other weapon. I can't understand, at that point, how the cops felt justified to shoot and kill the person....an unarmed person (likely injured) standing and/or making a half-hearted attempt to flee on foot. At that point the man didn't seem like a threat where deadly force would be warranted (especially considering the police had overwhelming manpower that could have easily subdued the unarmed man). I'm sure they'll clear the shooter(s) but it seems like too much adrenalin, pissed off cops and a failure to follow proper protocol.
The Corvette driver was obviously a fool and deserved to suffer the legal consequences of his actions. That said it's still sad to see someone needlessly shot and killed.
The Corvette driver was obviously a fool and deserved to suffer the legal consequences of his actions. That said it's still sad to see someone needlessly shot and killed.
i watched this chase live on tv. when it initially started, the sheriffs were holding back a little to discourage a high speed chase. it was working too. but when the lapd took over, it turned crazy, they pressed the guy hard which caused him to drive faster. in my opinion the cops are partly to blame for the wreck and 100% to blame for the guy being killed unarmed. he was either stupid, whacked out on drugs or who knows, he may have been a criminal with a record, but whatever the case, he did not need to shot to death at the end of this chase. it's not like he was going to get away. the helicopter could follow him even if the patrol cars were not in site. he must have been dead right away because they didnt even try to stop the bleeding. no telling how many holes they put in that guy.
#26
It's pretty simple.....when a cop tells you to stop and put your hands where they can see them, do it.
#27
Melting Slicks
No big deal, but I think it's a compliment to the Corvette that most everyone (even non-car folks) know it when they see a Corvette!
#29
Racer
Said day for the local police.
And yes I get this corvette driver put others in harms way including the pursuing police, but at the time he was not threatening. But I guess the police way of thinking was to protect any innocent pedestrian bystanders from possible threatening moves by the fleeing suspect.
I wonder how many shots were fired and if they all hit their target..
And yes I get this corvette driver put others in harms way including the pursuing police, but at the time he was not threatening. But I guess the police way of thinking was to protect any innocent pedestrian bystanders from possible threatening moves by the fleeing suspect.
I wonder how many shots were fired and if they all hit their target..
The people feel that they're MORE likely to be shot and killed by the LAPD than by your typical hoodlum.
#30
Melting Slicks
Killing the driver wasn't necessary at all. He was unarmed and fleeing away from them when they shot him. They could have easily just chased him and tackled him to the ground.
#31
Ya gotta love all the know it alls that never had an ounce of law enforcement training talking like experts. "He was just running", "he wasn't a threat", "he wasn't armed". How do you know anything of what is going on down on the ground by viewing on a little screen and listening to the traffic reporters guessing at what's happening? I didn't even see any signs of the other car running a red light, so how does it "appear" he had a green? How do any of you know that when the guy JUMPED out of his car he wasn't yelling I'm gonna kill you cops, or i'm gonna shoot you. Or how do any of you know he wasn't going to the passenger side to retrieve a gun that fell to the floor after the crash? None of us know what was happening on the ground, but so many think they do....
#33
Burning Brakes
#34
Melting Slicks
Ya gotta love all the know it alls that never had an ounce of law enforcement training talking like experts. "He was just running", "he wasn't a threat", "he wasn't armed". How do you know anything of what is going on down on the ground by viewing on a little screen and listening to the traffic reporters guessing at what's happening? I didn't even see any signs of the other car running a red light, so how does it "appear" he had a green? How do any of you know that when the guy JUMPED out of his car he wasn't yelling I'm gonna kill you cops, or i'm gonna shoot you. Or how do any of you know he wasn't going to the passenger side to retrieve a gun that fell to the floor after the crash? None of us know what was happening on the ground, but so many think they do....
#35
Race Director
The US Supreme Court has previously ruled that in these wild and reckless chases that endanger everyone on the road, the police are justified in using Deadly Force to stop the chase even if the initial offense was only a traffic violation IIRC.
Shooting the guy when the car chase was ended, as he tried to flee on foot, may not go over so well. But I don't have any sympathy for him.
Shooting the guy when the car chase was ended, as he tried to flee on foot, may not go over so well. But I don't have any sympathy for him.
Lots of comments regarding this incident in OT.
Last edited by Allan; 12-14-2013 at 06:30 PM.
#36
Racer
i watched this chase live on tv. when it initially started, the sheriffs were holding back a little to discourage a high speed chase. it was working too. but when the lapd took over, it turned crazy, they pressed the guy hard which caused him to drive faster. in my opinion the cops are partly to blame for the wreck and 100% to blame for the guy being killed unarmed. he was either stupid, whacked out on drugs or who knows, he may have been a criminal with a record, but whatever the case, he did not need to shot to death at the end of this chase. it's not like he was going to get away. the helicopter could follow him even if the patrol cars were not in site. he must have been dead right away because they didnt even try to stop the bleeding. no telling how many holes they put in that guy.
Somehow the LAPD got involved (like they usually do, needlessly) and started chasing the guy again... at that point he started driving more recklessly and they chased him into downtown L.A., then murdered him.
Did the LAPD and LASD even coordinate on this? Did the LAPD just see the guy and start the chase again without contacting them?
Did the LAPD think it was Chris Dorner's zombie risen from the dead?
#37
Racer
Ain't nobody got time fo dat
#38
Racer
Ya gotta love all the know it alls that never had an ounce of law enforcement training talking like experts. "He was just running", "he wasn't a threat", "he wasn't armed". How do you know anything of what is going on down on the ground by viewing on a little screen and listening to the traffic reporters guessing at what's happening? I didn't even see any signs of the other car running a red light, so how does it "appear" he had a green? How do any of you know that when the guy JUMPED out of his car he wasn't yelling I'm gonna kill you cops, or i'm gonna shoot you. Or how do any of you know he wasn't going to the passenger side to retrieve a gun that fell to the floor after the crash? None of us know what was happening on the ground, but so many think they do....
#39
I thought we lived in America?i am mistaken and sad.yes the driver was a ******* and stupid.what happened to trial by a jury of your peers?what about innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?what makes cops judge,jury and excutioner ok?this is the Empire we live in today,where the pectorian guard can do whatever it pleases and get away with it under color of law.what do you think would happen to any one of us if a speeding car hit us and we got out and shot the driver in the back dead?i rest my case.
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