If you want to run good oil then this is for you
02-26-2014, 04:22 PM
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Drifting
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If you want to run good oil then this is for you
I get my oil blended for me and it is the best oil I have ever run, they also sell their own filter that do a much better job. Be advised that this is not a cheap oil, but you get what you pay for.
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02-26-2014, 05:18 PM
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Melting Slicks
All of that, and a "shake well before using"?
It might be great oil, but how do you shake your engine once it's in there?
I gotta call these guys.
It might be great oil, but how do you shake your engine once it's in there?
I gotta call these guys.
02-26-2014, 05:27 PM
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Shake before using.
It looks like ERL was having people using the wrong lubes in their engines, so they had someone blend a private label for them. Good for them!
Sorry, you can buy Red Line off the shelf and you won't find a better oil. Race oil is only good if you change your oil allot. Race oils have less detergents in them because you change it more often. If you are running race oil on the street, make sure you change it every 1,000 or so miles. Oil is the trashcan for the dirt in the engine and race oils are not make to take as much trash because they have other additives. Oil additives start working at 213 degrees, so if you run your oil temp below that, the additives don't function properly.
I am sticking to Red Line.
It looks like ERL was having people using the wrong lubes in their engines, so they had someone blend a private label for them. Good for them!
Sorry, you can buy Red Line off the shelf and you won't find a better oil. Race oil is only good if you change your oil allot. Race oils have less detergents in them because you change it more often. If you are running race oil on the street, make sure you change it every 1,000 or so miles. Oil is the trashcan for the dirt in the engine and race oils are not make to take as much trash because they have other additives. Oil additives start working at 213 degrees, so if you run your oil temp below that, the additives don't function properly.
I am sticking to Red Line.
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02-26-2014, 06:09 PM
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Race Director
HOW exactly is this oil superior to others?? I would like to see some INDEPENDENT studies or reports to confirm.
The major oil companies spend $$$$$ and tons of research man-hours to develop their oils. How is this one better?? I see that the viscosity is unique, but this isn't really BETTER. Anything around 10W-30 (or so) is plenty adequate for today's cars in all kinds of weather.
Are you a distributor??
Larry
The major oil companies spend $$$$$ and tons of research man-hours to develop their oils. How is this one better?? I see that the viscosity is unique, but this isn't really BETTER. Anything around 10W-30 (or so) is plenty adequate for today's cars in all kinds of weather.
Are you a distributor??
Larry
02-26-2014, 06:10 PM
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Drifting
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This oil has nothing to do with ERL. I run an ERL short block so BND put it on the lable. I have run Redline, Royal Purple, AMS, Mobil, Joe Gibbs, etc. my engine runs much quieter, holds better pressure when the oil is hot and I do not end up with as much in my catch can. If you like your brand stick with it, I was just showing something different to those who might be interested. I have no affiliation with BND I have nothing to gain from this.
02-26-2014, 06:12 PM
#8
Has there ever been one reported LS engine that blew up because of oil related problems that met GM specs???
02-26-2014, 08:31 PM
#12
Safety Car
Since they don't post any prices, can you share how much yours cost and what makes your unique, such as what they ask etc to make yours.
02-26-2014, 10:01 PM
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Safety Car
LOL…..I suppose you have ocean front property in Arizona as well !
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02-26-2014, 10:26 PM
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Drifting
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Like I said before I am just passing along info about a different product, if you want to try it you can if you don't then don't. You can look up info on the product on the net, it has been tested against the other brands. I was not knocking the brands anyone else is using.
02-26-2014, 10:29 PM
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Like I said before I am just passing along info about a different product, if you want to try it you can if you don't then don't. You can look up info on the product on the net, it has been tested against the other brands. I was not knocking the brands anyone else is using.
02-26-2014, 10:36 PM
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Here you go you can read about it yourself.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...te_motor_test/
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...te_motor_test/
Lube Considerations
Things were looking good at this stage but one factor was presenting a relatively minor issue that needed to be addressed. This crate motor is shipped from GM with 0-30 weight Mobil 1 as a break in lube. Being of low viscosity one would expect this lightweight oil to be good for power. About two years ago this writer started testing a new oil produced by BND that was rapidly gaining popularity with some of the front running Midwest sprint car builders, because it showed some real improvements in reliability and reduced wear. The guinea pig vehicle used to test this oil was a 2000 model 4.8 GMC Sierra extended cab truck whose main purpose in life was towing 9,000 lbs of trailer and a race car. For the first two years the Sierra had been run on Mobil 1 which was changed at never more than 4000 miles. The reason Mobil 1 was used was because of it's proven anti wear properties. By any yardstick it is a top quality oil and my tests have shown that Mobil's ads concerning its anti wear properties fall well short of reality. This point is being made because the intent was to do an oil analysis wear comparison between the BND Quantum Blue oil and the proven performance of Mobil 1.
The lab used here was CTC Analytical (Division of Stavley Labs) and without going into a whole load of peripheral details the results showed Quantum Blue cut wear of iron parts by some 30 percent and bearing parts by some 15 percent. Unlike other oils Quantum Blue is custom blended for a given application and customer. When you get the oil from BND it will have your name right on the container. Like many early LS type engines the 2000 Sierra suffered lifter noise. The oil BND brewed had an additive package that specifically focused on reducing lifter noise. At the beginning of the test there was a great deal of skepticism about this but after about 2 months all sign of lifter noise was gone. This oil had more than proven its capability as a means of extending engine life--but what was it like for power? We had an engine on the dyno with an oil good for power but the only Quantum Blue on hand was the 15-45 oil specifically blended for a truck expected to haul 9,000 lbs up a long grade on a 110 degree summer day in the Mojave desert. The thinking here was that if Quantum Blue cut wear by means of friction reduction then this might offset any viscous loss due to being a 15-45 blend versus the 0-30 Mobil blend currently in the sump. Well there was one way to find out so Joe Huneycutt dumped the Mobil oil, changed the filter and refilled the sump with Quantum Blue.
Almost immediately after starting one major factor was apparent: the oil pressure at any given temperature was at least 15 psi higher than with the 0-30 weight oil. All previous tests with the 0-30 weight oil were done with the temperature around 200 degrees F. At that temperature the output with the Quantum Blue was marginally down but running it at 220F (where it still maintained at least +15 psi) the power was virtually the same (Fig 5). These results encouraged the planning of tests on a blend of Quantum Blue done specifically for our Z06 engine.
Read more: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...#ixzz2uURQfqzd
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...te_motor_test/
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...te_motor_test/
Lube Considerations
Things were looking good at this stage but one factor was presenting a relatively minor issue that needed to be addressed. This crate motor is shipped from GM with 0-30 weight Mobil 1 as a break in lube. Being of low viscosity one would expect this lightweight oil to be good for power. About two years ago this writer started testing a new oil produced by BND that was rapidly gaining popularity with some of the front running Midwest sprint car builders, because it showed some real improvements in reliability and reduced wear. The guinea pig vehicle used to test this oil was a 2000 model 4.8 GMC Sierra extended cab truck whose main purpose in life was towing 9,000 lbs of trailer and a race car. For the first two years the Sierra had been run on Mobil 1 which was changed at never more than 4000 miles. The reason Mobil 1 was used was because of it's proven anti wear properties. By any yardstick it is a top quality oil and my tests have shown that Mobil's ads concerning its anti wear properties fall well short of reality. This point is being made because the intent was to do an oil analysis wear comparison between the BND Quantum Blue oil and the proven performance of Mobil 1.
The lab used here was CTC Analytical (Division of Stavley Labs) and without going into a whole load of peripheral details the results showed Quantum Blue cut wear of iron parts by some 30 percent and bearing parts by some 15 percent. Unlike other oils Quantum Blue is custom blended for a given application and customer. When you get the oil from BND it will have your name right on the container. Like many early LS type engines the 2000 Sierra suffered lifter noise. The oil BND brewed had an additive package that specifically focused on reducing lifter noise. At the beginning of the test there was a great deal of skepticism about this but after about 2 months all sign of lifter noise was gone. This oil had more than proven its capability as a means of extending engine life--but what was it like for power? We had an engine on the dyno with an oil good for power but the only Quantum Blue on hand was the 15-45 oil specifically blended for a truck expected to haul 9,000 lbs up a long grade on a 110 degree summer day in the Mojave desert. The thinking here was that if Quantum Blue cut wear by means of friction reduction then this might offset any viscous loss due to being a 15-45 blend versus the 0-30 Mobil blend currently in the sump. Well there was one way to find out so Joe Huneycutt dumped the Mobil oil, changed the filter and refilled the sump with Quantum Blue.
Almost immediately after starting one major factor was apparent: the oil pressure at any given temperature was at least 15 psi higher than with the 0-30 weight oil. All previous tests with the 0-30 weight oil were done with the temperature around 200 degrees F. At that temperature the output with the Quantum Blue was marginally down but running it at 220F (where it still maintained at least +15 psi) the power was virtually the same (Fig 5). These results encouraged the planning of tests on a blend of Quantum Blue done specifically for our Z06 engine.
Read more: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...#ixzz2uURQfqzd
02-26-2014, 11:09 PM
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