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Old 08-21-2014, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by C4RACER
Brings up a good point, hopefully that car OP is a 2009+ model. Earlier than that and the IMS issue is a huge risk in my view.
Its a 2006 with bumper-to-bumper warranty. Only 1-2% of 997's have had the IMS issue, so its not a "huge risk" to me, no more than if I had a Z06 and worried about dropping a valve.

Thankfully it affects less than 800 cars.

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Wow.

How cool would it be if GM followed suit and replaced all the LSx motors because of the Harmonic Balancer issue.
Wouldn't that be sweet!
Old 08-21-2014, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Racer
Can I get a link with that or is that just something you've heard?
Has been extensively reported. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...e-911-gt3.html

Recent article in last month's "Porsche Excellence" magazine.
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Originally Posted by MakoShark72
Its a 2006 with bumper-to-bumper warranty. Only 1-2% of 997's have had the IMS issue, so its not a "huge risk" to me, no more than if I had a Z06 and worried about dropping a valve.



Thankfully it affects less than 800 cars.



Wouldn't that be sweet!
There is a fix for the IMS bearing issue. I would get it done, if it was mine. As I understand it, the fix simply allows the bearing to be properly lubricated and that solves the potential issue. Nice car, why take a chance?
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Originally Posted by corvetteflier
The new new GT3s have all been recalled due to their engines going up in smoke. Add in the IMS problem they had for YEARS, and one wonders about Porsche engineering--and concern for their customers, as they denied the IMS problem on 911s, Boxsters and Caymen for years. Finally settled a huge class action suit.
As I said, I have always like Porsches, 911s at least, but they are overpriced for what you get, imo, and the cost of even the smallest option is a joke. But, I'm a car guy and would never knock the choice of another car guy.
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There is a fix for the IMS bearing issue. I would get it done, if it was mine. As I understand it, the fix simply allows the bearing to be properly lubricated and that solves the potential issue. Nice car, why take a chance?
When I was looking into a sports car motorcycle substitute, some of the cars I looked at very closely were the post 2000 Porsche 911 and Boxter S of which there are many to chose from in my part of the world. But first I talked a master Porsche technician I've known since 1961. (we were both kids) He kinda chilled my desire to own a modern Porsche for the reasons corvetteflier has mentioned, he was pretty sad about it too because otherwise he says the newer Porsches are better in every way over the old air cooled ones. He did go on to say that turbocharged models have a far more bullet-proof design and that he would recommend one of those without reservation!

We also talked about the ceramic IM shaft bearings, which seems to be the best choice and was installed in a Boxter S I was looking at. He mentioned that they should still be checked when you do the inevitable main seal service.

All in all I left him thinking that modern Porsche ownership is not for the faint-hearted or financially insecure! They are great to drive though!

I do congratulate the OP and wish him lots of fun hours driving his new baby.
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In a few years, if I see the right 911S for sale I might consider an adoption. I would not be letting go of my '13 GS. I adore it too much to consider parting ways with it.
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Originally Posted by corvetteflier
There is a fix for the IMS bearing issue. I would get it done, if it was mine. As I understand it, the fix simply allows the bearing to be properly lubricated and that solves the potential issue. Nice car, why take a chance?
As I understand it, the earlier cars (up to and including 2005 model year) have a bearing that can be replaced with the engine in the car. Starting with 2006 MY, the bearings were "updated" to a larger, more robust design...BUT...can not be replaced with the engine in the car. In fact the engine case must be split (disassembled) to replace the bearing. All in all, not a great design..

My warranty runs until 70k miles (the car has 22k now), so I will watch for any signs of impending bearing failure, and have it replaced if and when necessary.

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Originally Posted by MakoShark72
As I understand it, the earlier cars (up to and including 2005 model year) have a bearing that can be replaced with the engine in the car. Starting with 2006 MY, the bearings were "updated" to a larger, more robust design...BUT...can not be replaced with the engine in the car. In fact the engine case must be split (disassembled) to replace the bearing. All in all, not a great design..

My warranty runs until 70k miles (the car has 22k now), so I will watch for any signs of impending bearing failure, and have it replaced if and when necessary.

not sure there are any signs, it just happens suddenly with no warning.
Warranty is good tho. Maybe you won't even keep it that long anyway.
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Nice pick up,

lol @ the guy who was rambling on about it not being a turbo porsche, please go

There is nothiing like a RWD, NA Porsche!!!
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^ the moderator makes a very good point....
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Originally Posted by blitzebill
^ the moderator makes a very good point....
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Originally Posted by MakoShark72
1-2% of later (2005+) cars have experienced IMS failure. The earlier 996 cars are at around 5%.

Kinda like the Z06 valve issue...
Those numbers are right on the mark with what they are saying over on the porsche forum. Just to let know I've had my 08 for about 3 1/2 years and only had to replace front brakes and water pump($225at 55k miles). The car is pretty easy to work on. Easiest car I have ever had to do an oil change. If you are not a D.I.Y be prepared.

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Originally Posted by door2416
Those numbers are right on the mark with what they are saying over on the porsche forum. Just to let know I've had my 08 for about 3 1/2 years and only had to replace front brakes and water pump($225at 55k miles). The car is pretty easy to work on. Easiest car I have ever had to do an oil change. If you are not a D.I.Y be prepared.
You can say I am a DIY'er... totally built my '72 Vette and restored my '79 911SC.. Also restored a '78 280Z, a '84 CJ7, '67 Land Rover, and my '78 FJ40. I have also read that the 997's are a very easy car to maintain..

Glad you've had good luck with the '08. I hope to keep the '06 for a long time, but I've said that many times!!!!
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Originally Posted by C4RACER
not sure there are any signs, it just happens suddenly with no warning.
Warranty is good tho. Maybe you won't even keep it that long anyway.
Signs are metal in the oil, slight bearing knock on startup, usual signs of bearing wear...
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Originally Posted by MakoShark72
Signs are metal in the oil, slight bearing knock on startup, usual signs of bearing wear...
Metal shavings in the oil is the key, from what I read. It is going for sure.
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Metal shavings in anything DEFINETLEY NOT a good sign



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