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Old 07-23-2015, 05:28 PM
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While looking through Chevy Performance book (2015 PN 19330145), I noticed the only difference between an LS3 6.2L (PN 19301326) & the LS 376/480 (PN 19301358) is the camshaft. The LS3 puts out 430HP has PN 12623063. The LS376/480 puts out 480HP with PN 88958753. Can a jump of 50HP be that easy??
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Yes.
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Originally Posted by wayback
Yes.
that being said, what would it take in a c6 to get that 50HP? A tune? headers? something else?
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Absolutely it will ! ! Throw in some head work while you have them off,(larger injectors if your really serious ) some headers and hi flow cats, CAI and a good tune. Depending on cam,this combo is good for over 100hp easily IMO.
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Yep, it can. My son's LS2 "07 coupe with A6 trans picked up over 60rwhp with cam and headers (hi-flow cats). I'm guessing that's north of 85hp at the crank.
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Yep, it can. My son's LS2 "07 coupe with A6 trans picked up over 60rwhp with cam and headers (hi-flow cats). I'm guessing that's north of 85hp at the crank.
and "i assume" a tune.
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Originally Posted by clearwaterms
and "i assume" a tune.
A tune is a given with a cam change because you are changing the valve timing with increased lift and duration, therefore you have to change the injector pulse width and other variables. In addition I would recommend upgrading the valve springs and pushrods as well. Then of course there is gaskets, oil, coolant, etc. It's NEVER just a cam...lol
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Originally Posted by db2012gs
A tune is a given with a cam change because you are changing the valve timing with increased lift and duration, therefore you have to change the injector pulse width and other variables. In addition I would recommend upgrading the valve springs and pushrods as well. Then of course there is gaskets, oil, coolant, etc. It's NEVER just a cam...lol
that was my point to it all.

Can a simple cam swap...? to which the answer is "yes, but..."
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For me, SMALL cam, headers and tune resulted in 99HP. From 370 to 469 at the wheels.

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Originally Posted by clearwaterms
that was my point to it all.

Can a simple cam swap...? to which the answer is "yes, but..."
My answer was in direct reference to the OPs ? about a GM crate motor where it is claimed to post a decent gain with the difference being a cam. If purchased in conjunction with a GM PCM, it will be _tuned_ for that cam.

Would you swap a cam in an carb'd application without rejetting the carb? Of course not. Swap a pulley on a blower or adjust the wastegate on a turbo to pick up power without a retune? Of course not.
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No, any bolt on or cam will not be optimized with out a tune. You may have some gains, but you need a tune to get the full potential.

Tomorrow is Friday, Driving the Vette to work, NPP open.

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Originally Posted by Suds
Tomorrow is Friday, Driving the Vette to work, NPP open.
ditto...fusions will be on blast also.
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Thanks for the replies fellas. My son & I figured it would need other items (PCM, new lifters, & tune ). Just wanted to verify our thoughts.
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If you want a bit more out of your car, go talk to local speed shops and find out what they offer.


Originally Posted by RDG5500
Thanks for the replies fellas. My son & I figured it would need other items (PCM, new lifters, & tune ). Just wanted to verify our thoughts.
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I picked up 90rwhp with AI ported stock 243 heads, spin monster cam and ud pulley on a 90k mile ls2 a6 with a stall.

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Originally Posted by kmvp860am
Now the $$$ question.

Approximately, what would it cost to have a shop swap to a small cam (and the other necessary "to do's" associated with it)?

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Go bigger not smaller,more lift and duration. Cam swap should be around $1700-$2200
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Originally Posted by Don-Vette
Go bigger not smaller,more lift and duration. Cam swap should be around $1700-$2200
Depends on what you want. I went small, gained 100 HP, nice lumpy idle, and excellent street manners, and pulls out of a corner on road courses like a bitch when RPMs are low. 6th gear at 1200 RPM no bucking or surging. I think the PFADT headers help quite a bit down low where I wanted the big gains. Not a drag race cam, but will boogie.

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I was quoted 5k for heads and a custom cam at the local.speed shop. We were just nabbing when the headers and exhaust were installed so I'm not sure what all it "included" but that was the cost I was given for the work.
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Originally Posted by petsur
Depends on what you want. I went small, gained 100 HP, nice lumpy idle, and excellent street manners, and pulls out of a corner on road courses like a bitch when RPMs are low. 6th gear at 1200 RPM no bucking or surging. I think the PFADT headers help quite a bit down low where I wanted the big gains. Not a drag race cam, but will boogie.
Curious what you went with. A small cam typically won't be lumpy at idle since the durations aren't extreme and the LSA will remain pretty tame.
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Very easy depending on the cam you could pick up more then 50hp.


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