[ZR1] Who is selling their ZR1?
01-28-2015, 11:13 AM
#41
Racer
Its not about being defensive.What do you get as far as equipment if you order a $79000 c7 z06?The dealers wont stock them because no one wants a plain jane with no options.Just look at the 1 Zr Zr 1s they are practically impossible to get rid of.To compare the two cars you need to add the ceramic brakes and at least a few goodies.Then you are looking at a 95k car or more.I love both cars but lets compare apples with apples not a loaded 3zr Zr1 and a no option c7 z06.The person searching for a deal and getting a very low mileage Zr1 for 20k less is not making a bad choice at all.
the Penske '13 white 1 ZR just has a bit of a roughness about its look. Bob Smith BMW and then their MINI dealership had a '13 3ZR in NRB and I'd have bought that car but they'd not budge more than about $1K on that car from what I recall. I have seen a dealer every once in a blue moon who will drop a car for example $8K if it's been sitting there for awhile. that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. I know the odds are against me finding that, but I'm not in any hurry either.
I wouldn't plan to mod the ZR1 in any way that voids via ECU alteration, and because I generally put a lot of miles on the cars I own, if it was a '10 or probably even an '11 I'd have to put an extended warranty on so there's another $2K.
the Jim Ellis car looks good, but like I said in a previous post, I'm a bit spooked about a transmission having to be replaced at less than 300 miles even if it IS a Certified Pre-Owned.
to add to all of this, I think the past is usually the best predictor of the future regarding most things financial. and to my eye, that means prices will continue to trend downward still about $10K more before they plateau at that area for at least a year. and that puts 3 ZR '12s and '13s at about $71K, not the current $81k. sure, they might stay where they are or even rise up a bit, but personally I just don't think they will. it took me quite a while to digest their moving from mid $90k's to ~$80k and I'm still very surprised that happened. I thought they'd plateau at $85 - 95K but they didn't. now, I think the price-dropping will continue more.
all of this is just my opinion and I know for certain that I could be wrong and you might turn out to be spot on. at this moment though, I do think 3 ZR's will drop another $10K on the whole by mid-summer. looking this morning there are again a bunch in the neighborhood of ~$85k again and those are not even all '12/'13s, so there's flux for sure, and there you go with evidence of seeing higher priced cars, but there are a few more in the market in the past month or so than their have been in the year or so before that. typically even a national search didn't show that many cars. right now, starting with 2010s (and there are a lot of 2009 if somebody chooses to see what's in that group too) there are about 85 cars..
Last edited by o2baZR1; 01-28-2015 at 11:22 AM.
01-28-2015, 12:10 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
I'd agree that apples should be compared to apples. Penske Chev in Illinois I believe had a 1 ZR and it was $71k I believe as compared to the typical 3 ZR at about $80K. personally, if I'm going to do this, unless a local car such as maybe with Tim at Boardwalk presents itself, I will search for a 3ZR not a 1 ZR. and that comparison does hold up when mentioning a $79k C7 Z06, which I could have placed an order for more than 8 weeks ago. I would get a 1 LZ '15 Z06 with just black wheels, carbon flash mirrors, and the carbon flash coloring on the upper half of the hood, but I think that was all I'd probably was going to do other than a premium paint choice at most. most people probably will order a $90k car, but I would not have.
the Penske '13 white 1 ZR just has a bit of a roughness about its look. Bob Smith BMW and then their MINI dealership had a '13 3ZR in NRB and I'd have bought that car but they'd not budge more than about $1K on that car from what I recall. I have seen a dealer every once in a blue moon who will drop a car for example $8K if it's been sitting there for awhile. that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. I know the odds are against me finding that, but I'm not in any hurry either.
I wouldn't plan to mod the ZR1 in any way that voids via ECU alteration, and because I generally put a lot of miles on the cars I own, if it was a '10 or probably even an '11 I'd have to put an extended warranty on so there's another $2K.
the Jim Ellis car looks good, but like I said in a previous post, I'm a bit spooked about a transmission having to be replaced at less than 300 miles even if it IS a Certified Pre-Owned.
to add to all of this, I think the past is usually the best predictor of the future regarding most things financial. and to my eye, that means prices will continue to trend downward still about $10K more before they plateau at that area for at least a year. and that puts 3 ZR '12s and '13s at about $71K, not the current $81k. sure, they might stay where they are or even rise up a bit, but personally I just don't think they will. it took me quite a while to digest their moving from mid $90k's to ~$80k and I'm still very surprised that happened. I thought they'd plateau at $85 - 95K but they didn't. now, I think the price-dropping will continue more.
all of this is just my opinion and I know for certain that I could be wrong and you might turn out to be spot on. at this moment though, I do think 3 ZR's will drop another $10K on the whole by mid-summer. looking this morning there are again a bunch in the neighborhood of ~$85k again and those are not even all '12/'13s, so there's flux for sure, and there you go with evidence of seeing higher priced cars, but there are a few more in the market in the past month or so than their have been in the year or so before that. typically even a national search didn't show that many cars. right now, starting with 2010s (and there are a lot of 2009 if somebody chooses to see what's in that group too) there are about 85 cars..
the Penske '13 white 1 ZR just has a bit of a roughness about its look. Bob Smith BMW and then their MINI dealership had a '13 3ZR in NRB and I'd have bought that car but they'd not budge more than about $1K on that car from what I recall. I have seen a dealer every once in a blue moon who will drop a car for example $8K if it's been sitting there for awhile. that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. I know the odds are against me finding that, but I'm not in any hurry either.
I wouldn't plan to mod the ZR1 in any way that voids via ECU alteration, and because I generally put a lot of miles on the cars I own, if it was a '10 or probably even an '11 I'd have to put an extended warranty on so there's another $2K.
the Jim Ellis car looks good, but like I said in a previous post, I'm a bit spooked about a transmission having to be replaced at less than 300 miles even if it IS a Certified Pre-Owned.
to add to all of this, I think the past is usually the best predictor of the future regarding most things financial. and to my eye, that means prices will continue to trend downward still about $10K more before they plateau at that area for at least a year. and that puts 3 ZR '12s and '13s at about $71K, not the current $81k. sure, they might stay where they are or even rise up a bit, but personally I just don't think they will. it took me quite a while to digest their moving from mid $90k's to ~$80k and I'm still very surprised that happened. I thought they'd plateau at $85 - 95K but they didn't. now, I think the price-dropping will continue more.
all of this is just my opinion and I know for certain that I could be wrong and you might turn out to be spot on. at this moment though, I do think 3 ZR's will drop another $10K on the whole by mid-summer. looking this morning there are again a bunch in the neighborhood of ~$85k again and those are not even all '12/'13s, so there's flux for sure, and there you go with evidence of seeing higher priced cars, but there are a few more in the market in the past month or so than their have been in the year or so before that. typically even a national search didn't show that many cars. right now, starting with 2010s (and there are a lot of 2009 if somebody chooses to see what's in that group too) there are about 85 cars..
01-28-2015, 01:31 PM
#43
Racer
well due to age and various regional conditions possibly exposed to, extended warranty I almost certainly expect is going to be needed...unless you're just going to fortify the ZR1 to engage in performance to a point where you're not even going to bother with covering it and you're going to have passengers that get just as big a kick out of risk-taking as you do. .
regarding environmental condition of where the car travels and especially has her primary residence, storage methods could have a sizable impact, like for example I used to live in the Foothills (East Maria de Fortuna) section of Yuma which is about 15 miles outside of Yuma proper and I've seen many days above 120 degrees when it's 108 - 109 in town. after 6 - 7 years there could have been cold exposure too depending just on where the car's been driven for out-of-the-ordinary trips, and in AZ, that might just mean 120 miles further north, like up in Flagstaff. I know RV's who've had problems with dry rot via sun on extremely low mileage tires in Yuma and who's to know how other tubing or belts have or have not been effected. a car that's lived multiple years in Minnesota for example may have suffered in a way that only a car with performance that a ZR1 is capable of is going to be able to put under performance pressures to a degree that may expose some weak links to the point of equipment failure. Live someplace that gets late February pothole season and you've got another factor on those rare sunny days that are so hard to resist going outdoors to enjoy. I lived in Florida within 15 miles of the ocean for at least 23 years of my life and I've lived in places such as upstate NY where heavily salted roads and cruising around with what we used to call hitchhikers (grey misshapen clumps of frozen snow/gravel/salt) stuck to the car) have got to leave their effects or you just wouldn't see 'cancer' to the degree you typically do on a northern vehicle. and what about flood-prone places? I seriously examine whether a car might have been a victim of Hurricane Sandy for example. personally, on an '09 all of this would be in the back of my mind, especially the times I took a chick or maybe even a 12-year-old nephew for either a road trip or a helmeted rip above 150 mph.
regarding environmental condition of where the car travels and especially has her primary residence, storage methods could have a sizable impact, like for example I used to live in the Foothills (East Maria de Fortuna) section of Yuma which is about 15 miles outside of Yuma proper and I've seen many days above 120 degrees when it's 108 - 109 in town. after 6 - 7 years there could have been cold exposure too depending just on where the car's been driven for out-of-the-ordinary trips, and in AZ, that might just mean 120 miles further north, like up in Flagstaff. I know RV's who've had problems with dry rot via sun on extremely low mileage tires in Yuma and who's to know how other tubing or belts have or have not been effected. a car that's lived multiple years in Minnesota for example may have suffered in a way that only a car with performance that a ZR1 is capable of is going to be able to put under performance pressures to a degree that may expose some weak links to the point of equipment failure. Live someplace that gets late February pothole season and you've got another factor on those rare sunny days that are so hard to resist going outdoors to enjoy. I lived in Florida within 15 miles of the ocean for at least 23 years of my life and I've lived in places such as upstate NY where heavily salted roads and cruising around with what we used to call hitchhikers (grey misshapen clumps of frozen snow/gravel/salt) stuck to the car) have got to leave their effects or you just wouldn't see 'cancer' to the degree you typically do on a northern vehicle. and what about flood-prone places? I seriously examine whether a car might have been a victim of Hurricane Sandy for example. personally, on an '09 all of this would be in the back of my mind, especially the times I took a chick or maybe even a 12-year-old nephew for either a road trip or a helmeted rip above 150 mph.
Last edited by o2baZR1; 01-28-2015 at 01:42 PM.
01-28-2015, 07:44 PM
#44
Le Mans Master
Thanks.
I'm actually wanting to know if there is advantage to buying a 2010 or newer?
I know the 2010 has PTM but I will never race the car. Is there any other reason to get a 10' or newer?
There are a lot of good deals on 09's but I want to get the best bang for my dollar.
I'm actually wanting to know if there is advantage to buying a 2010 or newer?
I know the 2010 has PTM but I will never race the car. Is there any other reason to get a 10' or newer?
There are a lot of good deals on 09's but I want to get the best bang for my dollar.
01-28-2015, 08:17 PM
#45
Race Director
IMO, one's objective should always be to purchase the newest model in the best condition that one can afford.
The C6 ZR1 is a great machine, and you won't be disappointed with the "correct" purchase. G-L with your search !
The C6 ZR1 is a great machine, and you won't be disappointed with the "correct" purchase. G-L with your search !
01-28-2015, 10:31 PM
#46
Safety Car
Thanks.
I'm actually wanting to know if there is advantage to buying a 2010 or newer?
I know the 2010 has PTM but I will never race the car. Is there any other reason to get a 10' or newer?
There are a lot of good deals on 09's but I want to get the best bang for my dollar.
I'm actually wanting to know if there is advantage to buying a 2010 or newer?
I know the 2010 has PTM but I will never race the car. Is there any other reason to get a 10' or newer?
There are a lot of good deals on 09's but I want to get the best bang for my dollar.
01-28-2015, 10:34 PM
#47
Drifting
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01-30-2015, 01:40 AM
#48
Team Owner
First of all there are no new c7 z06 s at $79000 and if you add ceramic brakes and other options the car will easily cost high 90 s or $100 000.Next they are building a truck load of z06s and only 4700 Zr1 s were built in the 5 years they were produced.A low mileage example that has not been modded will always be worth something decent.Next performance wise the zr1 is till the fastest vette.Dont know what point you are trying to make but if you think you re going to buy a 2013 zr1 for 50 grand because thats what it sounds like judging by what you are saying ,forget it.I guarantee you in five years a mint zr1 will sell for more than a 2015 z06.Its a numbers game and its all about supply and demand.
02-07-2015, 10:49 AM
#50
Race Director
Everything is for sale for the right price, make an offer that cant be refused. 
2009 Cyber Grey, Lingenfelter built car with 1k miles on build, 670 whp 675 wtq on a conservative tune, 10k miles, 3ZR.
2009 Cyber Grey, Lingenfelter built car with 1k miles on build, 670 whp 675 wtq on a conservative tune, 10k miles, 3ZR.
02-20-2015, 04:03 PM
#56
Racer
02-20-2015, 04:09 PM
#57
Racer
this is my DILEMMA ! to get the CCB on the Z06 you need to pay 13k around cause you need the BS carbon ground effects plus the Z07. I priced a z06 without the z07 and some nice options and its still 93k. With the CCB its prob near 100k 
Big Advtg to the C7 is PDR and Transparent Roof and A8 and bad *** new Interior.
And the E-DIFF supposed to be good too.
Big Advtg to the C7 is PDR and Transparent Roof and A8 and bad *** new Interior.
And the E-DIFF supposed to be good too.
02-20-2015, 04:11 PM
#58
Racer
02-20-2015, 04:12 PM
#59
Racer
02-20-2015, 04:14 PM
#60
Racer