"SINISTTERC6 Twin Turbo"
01-19-2015, 08:39 PM
#1101
Racer
Mike, looking forward to this weekend, seeing your car run and put some awd guys on the trailer. I saw your car in person the other day and Jey did an outstanding job as always on the new set up. It should be an exciting weekend!
01-19-2015, 08:46 PM
#1102
Burning Brakes
Do you guys know if they have alternate dates? Or contingency plan? Pretty good chance of rain here this weekend 😰
01-19-2015, 08:54 PM
#1103
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Hell yea bro come up and say hi. See you Saturday
01-19-2015, 09:45 PM
#1104
Drifting
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
01-20-2015, 05:38 AM
#1105
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
In looking at the two models (haltech elite/ProEFI 128), it would seem as if the Two models share similar features for the most part, though the ProEFI 128 is a bit more antiquated, whereas the Haltech Elite is the newest offering.
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
ProEFI does have drive by wire which is how the TC functions.
If both units were available at the same time I still would have gone ProEFI. Its only downside is cost.
Last edited by SinisterC6; 01-20-2015 at 05:40 AM.
01-20-2015, 09:09 AM
#1106
Drifting
After seeing how well the ProEFI works with its proven traction control I will not be switching but thank you.
ProEFI does have drive by wire which is how the TC functions.
If both units were available at the same time I still would have gone ProEFI. Its only downside is cost.
ProEFI does have drive by wire which is how the TC functions.
If both units were available at the same time I still would have gone ProEFI. Its only downside is cost.
Its been great so far! One of the best mods for the money. Power's pretty easy to make, using it becomes more challenging the more power you make. Pro EFI just makes it a lot easier to utilize IMO.
01-20-2015, 11:33 AM
#1107
Former Vendor
In looking at the two models (haltech elite/ProEFI 128), it would seem as if the Two models share similar features for the most part, though the ProEFI 128 is a bit more antiquated, whereas the Haltech Elite is the newest offering.
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
On top of that we have done numerous drive by wire systems on various platforms and even done dual drive by wire in a few, both custom and OEM (viper)
01-21-2015, 05:45 AM
#1108
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Im excited to experience the traction control system, its been a while since I've been able to lay into 1st gear.
01-25-2015, 07:24 PM
#1109
Racer
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In looking at the two models (haltech elite/ProEFI 128), it would seem as if the Two models share similar features for the most part, though the ProEFI 128 is a bit more antiquated, whereas the Haltech Elite is the newest offering.
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
Boost control is limited on the ProEFI is limited to time and speed, where the Elite has boost by gear as an addition to the EFI offerings. Drive by Wire isn't available with the EFI 128, though it is standard with EFI's slightly lower model. The Haltech Launch Control, Boost by Gear and adaptive learning are all i need to hear, save for some people on here with success stories about it, that would be nice.
Not knowing if Drive by Wire is something that people want as a beneficial feature, throttle control and multiple levels of redundancy alone would sway someone to at least try the optional feature.
I'm brand new to custom ECU's and all that makes one model more appealing than another Sinister, though your answer of your supplier not having the correct model and accessories in stock when you needed it leads me to my own assumption. That if they had the Elite, you would rather have used that in lieu of the more known and readily available EFI 128. I hope that you decide to upgrade sooner or later so I can follow your updates/changes, as I don't have a clue in how to use either.
Let me know if you decide to switch over to the Haltech Elite 2500, maybe I can share the cost of the module with you, and you can assist me with the tune of my car....? Just askin, thats all.
Thanks for all your help Sinister, sorry to Bomb your thread.
Keith
01-25-2015, 09:14 PM
#1112
Race Director
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St. Jude Donor '15
That intake piping sticking out of the hood looks sick. I don't think you'll get many street races with that showing 
01-26-2015, 05:56 AM
#1113
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Thanks a lot. It definately allowed me to put on a good show as I danced from one side of the lane to the other
The MH are the same height as my MTs. Since the MH were brand new I think they were still slick. Im looking forward to getting some miles in them before the georgia race
Ha so I cant say it comes like that from the factory?
Ha so I cant say it comes like that from the factory?
01-26-2015, 06:14 AM
#1114
Melting Slicks
Boost by gear is not state of the art boost control...it's antiquated. If you have a lot of experience with REALLY high horsepower turbo cars. Boost by gear is NOT the way to go. You want boost constantly ramping so you can maintain traction. With boost by gear you are limited to one boost setting through that gear...with speed or time it can be ramping the whole time, and you never hit it with more than the tire can take at once. It is intentionally left out of the ProEFI because of this reason...it doesn't work nearly as well! The ProEFI has also ALWAYS had ETC. The newer traction control Also implements this in the most effective way possible. I will put any car on the same tire up against the ProEFI traction control....on ANY day! Countless track events and constantly tweaking the traction control is how the system was developed. It's not guessing, it's not theory...it's developed at the track in practice!
So in many respects you can easily say boost by speed is not the way to go, and you need to ensure speed reference is from an undriven wheel source.
If you're wanting boost control to assist with traction, it needs to be more than one layer anyway. You need to consider throttle, speed, gear, rpm and then map boost around all of those parameters to get the most from it at all times.
And then you can combine that with multiple throttle vs pedal maps for different speeds or gears to again assist traction and the driver and improve driveability.
And then there is also traction control as a backup. Although using the throttle as a control parameter would be one of the slower options.
Reducing timing first off is always the fastest way to reduce power in a loss of traction scenario. After that you can cut fuel, spark, blade opening etc as required to restrict power until traction is restored to a usable level.
01-26-2015, 10:37 AM
#1116
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You could easily say boost by speed is antiquated too, as it heavily restricts boost when in a high gear at lower speeds, for cruising, overtaking etc.
So in many respects you can easily say boost by speed is not the way to go, and you need to ensure speed reference is from an undriven wheel source.
If you're wanting boost control to assist with traction, it needs to be more than one layer anyway. You need to consider throttle, speed, gear, rpm and then map boost around all of those parameters to get the most from it at all times.
And then you can combine that with multiple throttle vs pedal maps for different speeds or gears to again assist traction and the driver and improve driveability.
And then there is also traction control as a backup. Although using the throttle as a control parameter would be one of the slower options.
Reducing timing first off is always the fastest way to reduce power in a loss of traction scenario. After that you can cut fuel, spark, blade opening etc as required to restrict power until traction is restored to a usable level.
So in many respects you can easily say boost by speed is not the way to go, and you need to ensure speed reference is from an undriven wheel source.
If you're wanting boost control to assist with traction, it needs to be more than one layer anyway. You need to consider throttle, speed, gear, rpm and then map boost around all of those parameters to get the most from it at all times.
And then you can combine that with multiple throttle vs pedal maps for different speeds or gears to again assist traction and the driver and improve driveability.
And then there is also traction control as a backup. Although using the throttle as a control parameter would be one of the slower options.
Reducing timing first off is always the fastest way to reduce power in a loss of traction scenario. After that you can cut fuel, spark, blade opening etc as required to restrict power until traction is restored to a usable level.
Congrats on the car, the thing is a complete monster, and in very capable hands. I know they will have that thing dialed in perfectly in no time. Mike will be in our office today, and we will go over the logs and get it rocking!
Last edited by Tripleblk6spd; 01-26-2015 at 10:55 AM.
01-26-2015, 11:37 AM
#1117
Team Owner
Interesting in seeing how this progresses. I guess I was expecting the TC on the proefi to work wonders as many people says it does. Was it just not dialed in?
I could see doing a proefi or haltech one day, but I would only be doing it for the TC and so far it doesn't seem like either is doing amazing things at these events, at least not yet.
I could see doing a proefi or haltech one day, but I would only be doing it for the TC and so far it doesn't seem like either is doing amazing things at these events, at least not yet.
01-26-2015, 11:47 AM
#1118
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Interesting in seeing how this progresses. I guess I was expecting the TC on the proefi to work wonders as many people says it does. Was it just not dialed in?
I could see doing a proefi or haltech one day, but I would only be doing it for the TC and so far it doesn't seem like either is doing amazing things at these events, at least not yet.
I could see doing a proefi or haltech one day, but I would only be doing it for the TC and so far it doesn't seem like either is doing amazing things at these events, at least not yet.
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01-26-2015, 01:22 PM
#1119
Melting Slicks
I'm not going to derail Sinistter's thread. If you want to discuss it further, feel free to take it to PM. If you have ever raced a car competitively you would understand what I am saying...why would you ever want to be in 5th gear and need 20psi of boost...you would just down shift...otherwise your going to get beat anyway. You would never control traction by adjusting boost in response...it's WAY TOO SLOW.
Congrats on the car, the thing is a complete monster, and in very capable hands. I know they will have that thing dialed in perfectly in no time. Mike will be in our office today, and we will go over the logs and get it rocking!
Congrats on the car, the thing is a complete monster, and in very capable hands. I know they will have that thing dialed in perfectly in no time. Mike will be in our office today, and we will go over the logs and get it rocking!
And absolutely, nobody ever suggested using boost as a reaction to loss of traction would be a good thing. It would be the slowest of all options as I said.
01-26-2015, 01:51 PM
#1120
Le Mans Master
