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Old 05-22-2013, 03:12 PM
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Congrats again and great work from everyone involved with the new injectors clutch and on Kill tune I bet that thing will close to 1300rwhp
Old 05-22-2013, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by venomws7
Congrats again and great work from everyone involved with the new injectors clutch and on Kill tune I bet that thing will close to 1300rwhp
i dont think 1300 is doable on pump/meth.. c16? very likely.. but im not willing to pully it down. so.. if it hits 1200+ on c16 and ! filter i would be ecstatic.
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Originally Posted by Flash20
freaking racecar!!!!!
pretty much
Old 05-22-2013, 05:46 PM
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11 degrees of timing? thats freaking low, but i dont know how low is too low. What happens when inlet temps go up on a long pull, how much timing do you end up with?

Anyone wanna chime on this?
Old 05-22-2013, 06:15 PM
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Damn man, thats a hell of a jump in power!! Great test btw, blower swap only and same pulley etc etc... Goes to show how much more that F1x flows up top...

Damn near 200hp gain and broader power band at that... That was money well spent...

Did you log your IATs? I'm curious how hard its spinning. I know the F1x has a bigger step up then the R... another reason you gained so much boost..

You'll be tearing some ***** up at the next TI event if you can get it to hook...

Congrats on a great combo..




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F1x on my list of future mods...
Old 05-22-2013, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
***Note to self***

F1x on my list of future mods...
Do it!
Old 05-22-2013, 08:40 PM
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Do it!
Don't tempt me bastard!

I already have the right bracket, 10 rib and custom HD tensioner... I'd just have to slap the head unit on..

But I'm already seeing 21-23 psi with the F1R... Not sure if I want to push anymore thru it on a 4 bolt LQ9 block..

Gives me room to upgrade down the road tho..

Hell if I got half of the gain that Whitelightening got I'd be happy..
Old 05-22-2013, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by White_Lightning
i dont think 1300 is doable on pump/meth.. c16? very likely.. but im not willing to pully it down. so.. if it hits 1200+ on c16 and ! filter i would be ecstatic.
What injectors are you running
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Originally Posted by playtoy
What injectors are you running
100# injectors.. FIC i think


ajrothm which step up are you talking about? i know the X and R have the same trans ratio.
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Originally Posted by zeshawn
11 degrees of timing? thats freaking low, but i dont know how low is too low. What happens when inlet temps go up on a long pull, how much timing do you end up with?

Anyone wanna chime on this?
I dont have the logs my Tuner does.. but he knows how finiky i have and he every tune he does to my car is as safe and conservative as he can get.
Old 05-22-2013, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by White_Lightning
100# injectors.. FIC i think


ajrothm which step up are you talking about? i know the X and R have the same trans ratio.


Oh I didnt know they had the same step up... An F1R is 5.40:1.... I didnt know the X was the same...

So you gained all of your boost from just a better supply/more volume then... Not from spinning it harder.

That was a great investment you made on the X for your big cube motor... On my little 402, I'm not sure how much the X would gain me if I'm already seeing 23 psi with the F1R and don't really want to put too much more boost then that in it...especially on pump gas/meth.
Old 05-22-2013, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Oh I didnt know they had the same step up... An F1R is 5.40:1.... I didnt know the X was the same...

So you gained all of your boost from just a better supply/more volume then... Not from spinning it harder.

That was a great investment you made on the X for your big cube motor... On my little 402, I'm not sure how much the X would gain me if I'm already seeing 23 psi with the F1R and don't really want to put too much more boost then that in it...especially on pump gas/meth.
Yup.. the 434 definatly likes the air the X is pushing more than the R.. im thinking about stepping up to the 127# injectors and seeing what it makes... should be enough to pick up a little on pump, and then do a c16 tune.
Old 05-23-2013, 08:59 AM
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here it is on the dyno, through stock 2.5" NPP

Old 05-23-2013, 09:14 AM
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Congrats! No cog needed like I said lol! Yall did a great job. Who needs race gas.
Old 05-23-2013, 09:24 AM
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Not gonna lie I'm a little jelly. I'm glad you got the results you were looking for though!

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Just for reference on the fuel issue, I had ID1000s and was at 69% duty cycle when I topped out the dyno at 1000rwhp. It was probably around 1050whp but the software needed an update, so it just flat lined at 1000whp. That was 93 and meth (runs about 11.4 AFR on just gasoline, 10.4 on the meth)on 18-19psi. Are you maintaining fuel pressure?
Old 05-23-2013, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DSteck
Just for reference on the fuel issue, I had ID1000s and was at 69% duty cycle when I topped out the dyno at 1000rwhp. It was probably around 1050whp but the software needed an update, so it just flat lined at 1000whp. That was 93 and meth (runs about 11.4 AFR on just gasoline, 10.4 on the meth)on 18-19psi. Are you maintaining fuel pressure?
FP is fine.. i have an Aeromotive eliminator intanke and the DP1000 external fuel system..

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Old 05-23-2013, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by White_Lightning
Yup.. the 434 definatly likes the air the X is pushing more than the R.. im thinking about stepping up to the 127# injectors and seeing what it makes... should be enough to pick up a little on pump, and then do a c16 tune.
First off I hate u lol Jk, but I'm running those injectors on e85 making 922/855 at about 75% duty cycle give or take
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Originally Posted by silvzo6
First off I hate u lol Jk, but I'm running those injectors on e85 making 922/855 at about 75% duty cycle give or take
i figure if it was fine with 100's @ 1109.. throwing in 127s should help...
adding some timing and race gas wont increase the requirements for fuel, just octane. Should be good with 127s.
Old 05-23-2013, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by White_Lightning
i figure if it was fine with 100's @ 1109.. throwing in 127s should help...
adding some timing and race gas wont increase the requirements for fuel, just octane. Should be good with 127s.
Great numbers and great comparison on pump gas and meth. What is your compression ratio?

On your comment above, I'm in the same position right now. I'm thinking about adding some race gas and a couple of degrees of timing. I figured if it makes more power, that means more airflow which would require more fuel. I feel like my fuel pump is almost at it's limit currently and that's why I haven't tried yet.

If it can run leaner on the race fuel I may be ok, but if not I guess I'll have to wait until I upgrade the fuel system.


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