3 Z06ZR1

I have never used a Procharger. You guys that have them or have had both. Chime in! Are they as good as the Vortech/Paxton blower's?
I'm comparing the P1-SC1 vs the 1500 or V-3 trim

Slo-Poc

I've had a si trim at 630 whp and a d1sc at 650, with that said. They both come in hard and move a good amount of air early to give you that hit/tq feeling BUT the D1 pulls hard all the way to redline. And the more power it's making the better and better it's feeling. Hands down d1sc in my book.

1320IN9

my previous v2-si trim was a blast, my current D1SC is hits hard and comes on fast, as far as "are they as good" procharger has a serious line up of head units to choose from, if you want to make 3000hp they got you covered. v3 p1sc and the 1500 will all put a smile on your face, what kind of power are you looking to make?

jon6.0

The Ti trim(Novi 1500) is a more direct comparison to a D1SC since they both are rated for 1400cfm of air. The Si is more like a P1SC. Either way you decide to go will be a good time!

Unreal

P1 I wouldn't bother with. D1 is ok but I like the 1500 better. The Ti-trim should be even better.

Ysi>F1R/A/C. F1X is a good blower, and the F2/3 are great for cars that need that big.


Basically P1<Si<D1<T<Ti<F1A/R<Ysi<F1X is how I would rank them.

That being said, all the blowers are decent, the bracket/tensioners are what make a system good or bad.

Detoxx03

My "ok" D1 gets the job done. 4.5" pulley and making 9.5psi it pumps out 770rwhp with a good bit of room left to go. Don't get me wrong in have much love for the T trim (there is good reason why ECS skips the puny Si and make the T the headunit in their base kit) but the D1 isn't anything to sneeze at.

The only hands on experience I have with the Si is driving a friends C5 and Slo-Poc's car. His car always felt great but once he swapped to the D1 it wasn't even a comparison. Yes I know they are worlds apart from each other and that's why it's no comparison. Now if he had a t trim it would have been a good comparison but a that point I wouldn't have advised him to make sucks a swap since the ysi is out there.

Ok don't want to blabber cause i'm busy but if anything needs clarifying i'll do so later.

jon6.0

When talking D1SC and Ti, I think they are pretty darn equal. So pick whichever kit you like the looks of more. Because you are going to get a bunch of "tastes great" or "less filling" type of talk going on.

My T trim did 754rwhp at 11.5psi. Compared to Detoxx's results that's not so hot compared to his 770rwhp at 9.5psi. The Ti flows 150cfm more and is 3% more efficient than the old T trim. You would have to call and ask, but I believe Vortech and Paxton don't even do the T trim anymore. So if picking between Ti and D1SC, you aren't going to go wrong with either. In my opinion anyway. That being said, a lot of folks seem to like the ECS brackets better than Prochargers brackets. A&A and ECS both make Procharger brackets. So you could piece together something from them.

3 Z06ZR1

How efficient is the procharger units . I don't see it listed.
Then does the 1500 and procharger fit the same bracket?

jon6.0

They take separate brackets. ECS and A&A just built a better mousetrap than what Procharger offers when it comes to brackets. You could probably order a kit from ECS or A&A for a Procharger, just minus the blower. Then you just source your own Procharger. If I was doing it from scratch I would probably do that with an F-1A. Or just get a YSi/2200R kit because I like to turn stuff up and push limits, lol.

Milan

This gets repeated a lot on here but it not true. The T-trim only flows 1200 cfm and is more closely matched to the P1. The D1 is in between a T-trim and Ysi

jon6.0

Wrong dude.

Ti trim is 1400cfm

T trim is 1250cfm

D1SC is 1400cfm

P1SC is 1200cfm

jon6.0

F1A is 1575cfm

F1C is 1625cfm

F1C-10.5 is 1700cfm

F1X is 2000cfm

jon6.0

Si trim is 1150cfm

YSi is 1600cfm

jon6.0

Now all those flow numbers are nice and all, but you also have to take into account the different transmission gear ratios in each blower. Blower gear ratios are why Prochargers use a larger blower pulley than the Vortech head units. There is a post somewhere on here by a wicked smart dude that went into the dynamics of which one is more prone to belt slip. He said the Procharger was actually more likely to slip due to the transmission ratio combined with the larger pulley. I would have thought the Vortech units would be more prone with their smaller pulley. Most of us that push the limits run a direct drive of some sort, so belt slip isn't really an issue.

Milan

Up until recently the T-trim was rated at 1200 cfm. With that said, the rest of what I said is still true. T-trim is closer matched to a P1.

D1SC may not be bigger than Ti trim but it is in fact bigger than the T-trim.

Edit:
Link for reference
http://www.aacorvette.com/performanc...roducts_id=384

jon6.0

You are quoting a reseller of Vortech blowers. The Vortech website listed the T at 1250. It's not there any longer now though. Just the Ti info now. Regardless, people have gone well into the 800's rwhp with the old T wheel.

The new Ti is also listed as 75% efficient. So more flow and more efficient. Win win for me upgrading my T to a Ti for $680 from Vortech.

jon6.0

Either way, it's the old blower anyway. The new blower is the Ti, which is the same CFM as the D1SC. Any way the OP decides to go is going to be very fun for him.

ajrothm

This and the F series blowers with the 5.40 step up ratio apparently have a ton of parasitic drag....Takes a lot more power to turn them then a YSI.. Steve Morris tested some head units on a blower "dyno" and figured out that an F1R, restricted to 23 psi @ 7k took 250hp to turn it.

That's why I think we see way more power out of the YSi cars then the F series cars... The F series do flow more air an theoretically make more power, but it takes more power to turn them... and when the dust settles, there is less power at the flywheel with an F1R then a YSi.
This is just my theory...but I know my car makes less power then other cars with similar combos with YSi blowers. I just call em as I see em.

I think F1C/F1R blowers are DONE at 950 rwhp on our drive trains. Unless its on E85 with a real aggressive tune. YSI blowers seem to make 1000+ on just about anything.

I will say a D1SC is a killer blower if you want to make an honest 800-825 rwhp and have no belt issues.

turbotuner20v

It does seem like the YSI breaks 1,000whp the most frequently on different setups, but I'd like to see that hp/tq curve vs. the F series blowers. One of the things I love about my F1A is the crazy midrange. It pulls like hell in 3rd @ 60mph, which is like 3,200rpm or something rediculously low. Not saying that YSI cars don't work good on the street/track, but sometimes there's more to it than just the peak #'s.

jon6.0

Exactly. My buddy really wants me to do a YSi, but I want the midrange response the Ti is going to offer me. My old T was ridiculous in the midrange. I can only imagine more flow and efficiency will help that. Although I am overspinning the snot out of it at 63k rpm.